Zalanthan Sexism Confessional!

[LauraMars]

Oh no, my fingers itch to make another poetry thread!

[Cenghiz]

I once became a manwhore for women.. Eh, it worked pretty well, at least for me.

[Aldiel]

This has always been a fine line for me.  I mean, even species where the males and females are of equal build have femininity and masculinity.  I mean, how the heck is a female going to attract a mate if she's not different than him.  She's got to have those nice hips and know how to sway 'em!  And of course I'm going to bark like a dog!

(Aldiel is being somewhat sarcastic here.)

[Ghost]

I tried to be a kank once, but no kankfucker hitched a ride.



And still no kankfucker confessions.  Come on people.  Laura!  Ves!  Not even you two?

Here is one from odd urges.  I am sure someone did this, though we did not get the confession yet:

get ticket cloak

offer ticket

hitch kank

em looks over ~kank for a long, long moment, his eyes sparkling with lust.

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em nods to the gateguards as he passes, a slight skip to his step.

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em Turning slowly, his hand clutched gingerly around the reins of ~kank, @ drops to his knees and gives thanks to the HighLord.

think Thank you, HighLord, for the love you have given me.

em stands and trods in to the wastes.

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em guides ~kank up on top of a dune, and brushes some dust off of the shell.

em Licking his chapped lips with a pink, sticky tongue, @ drives a stake in to the top of the dune and lashes the reins to it

em steps to the rear of ~kank.

em undoes his trousers, and begins to ride ~kank

change ldesc is here, making wild love to a saffron kank

You hear a male voice shout from the east, in sirihish;
"Excuse me! Kankfucker! Do you need assistance?"

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[Far]
A few cityguards looking westwards with disbelief

shout Woooohoooo! Yeah! WOAH! Yeah! Wooooooo!

[Maybe42or54]

I once had sex last through a whole emote.

The badass mother fucker thrusts a few times, then rolls aside.

say (looking at ~woman) Damn, you are good. Normally I don't last that long.

[Yokunama]

I tried to be a man whore once, but no man wanted me.

Those are hard to pull off.

[FightClub]

I tried to be a man whore once, but no man wanted me.

Those are hard to pull off.

Obviously you haven't played a Borsail slaver.

[Vesperas]

I tried to be a man whore once, but no man wanted me.

Those are hard to pull off.

Obviously you haven't played a Borsail slaver.

Borsail slavers are sexy.

But not as sexy as brainz.

[Kiri]

I tried to be a man whore once, but no man wanted me.

Those are hard to pull off.

Obviously you haven't played a Borsail slaver.

Borsail slavers are sexy.

But not as sexy as brainz.

Borsail slavers with brainz are teh sexi3st.

[Ghost]

I tried to be a man whore once, but no man wanted me.

Those are hard to pull off.

Obviously you haven't played a Borsail slaver.

Borsail slavers are sexy.

But not as sexy as brainz.

Borsail slavers with brainz are teh sexi3st.

I am sexi3st.

[Packersfan]

What?!  We don't have any kankfuckers around?  Come on guys, just say it.

Fine fine, I admit it.

I think there would be far less ooc sexism if 8/10 woman ig were not your typical pretty little princess. I love when female characters act like a Zalanthan instead of what their prom dream was. In fact, some of the best mercenary types and Templars I have seen were female and perfectly played. There is no room for sexism in arm unless you have a damn good (I'm talking stupendous) reason, because that is the reality of Zalanthas.

[jcarter]

From the 'What I Learned in the T'zai Byn Files'-

Gith men may substitute a woman for a kank.

[The7DeadlyVenomz]

Again it comes up, and again I just disagree with it so fucking much. I know the world is what it is and that women are not little dainty creatures and all that crap, but for real, if that's what people want to play, why does it matter?

Yes, so they are prom queens and kings and kids and all that, and super-models and stuff, but my characters will prolly always like chicks like that, just because that's what I dig. This is a damned fantasy world, and as much as I like reality in the visciousness and death and world of Armageddon, I love with all my heart to see sexy ass princesses with swords and armor cutting up gith.

It's prevelant in any fantasy setting. Women can be cherished and still be deadly as fuck and confident. Look at Cattie=Brie from the Drizzt books. Wulfgar loves her and cherishs here and she looks good and all this, yet she is a top-notch fighter. Seriously, screw all this crap about ugly women and men and stuff. Let these folks be beautiful, and let them shape the world.

In all seriousness, would you put a thick-ass, muscular ass chick with a bloody axe on your wallpaper, or a slim, decent to gorgeous female with that same bloody axe on your wallpaper?

Let's be serious. That's why fantasy artists paint what they paint.

[Anonymous]

I like big muscles on a female... gives me something to grab on too.  Screw skinny women... I need that meat.

[Kiri]

I think there would be far less ooc sexism if 8/10 woman ig were not your typical pretty little princess. I love when female characters act like a Zalanthan instead of what their prom dream was. In fact, some of the best mercenary types and Templars I have seen were female and perfectly played. There is no room for sexism in arm unless you have a damn good (I'm talking stupendous) reason, because that is the reality of Zalanthas.

As long as sex can be used as a tool, a weapon, a form of protection, or a way to the top, there will be women who will try to wield their looks like a sword. The trick, of course, is pulling it off, but if someone wants that to be their route rather than that of gritty badass gith killing female, why not? It's not flouting lack of sexism, it's using sex and sexuality the same way you'd use weapons skills. This works for men, too, after all.

To me, what the "equality of the sexes" on Zalanthas means is that the opportunities/rewards/punishments are the same whether you're male or female. It doesn't mean that women have to act like men, too. IMHO, that's the biggest misconception that people have... they think "equal" means "the same." They think that "women equal to men" means "women who act/look like men."  

Sexism is treating someone as they are not, simply because of their sex. IE: Treating a sword wielding, fire breathing, flame drinking warrior like a fragile doll just because she's  a woman. Or on the other hand, assuming a man is dumb, brutish, and only driven by hormones because he's a man who  kicks gith butt and fucks  his kank.  If  a woman acts like a bit of fluff who needs protecting, and the fellows stand in front of her and take the brunt, they're not being sexist, they're doing exactly what she wants them to do.

Besides.... it's amazing what a pretty girl can get away with. Especially if you perfect that wide-eyed, innocent smile.

Everything could be a ploy.

[Delirium]

Besides.... it's amazing what a pretty girl can get away with. Especially if you perfect that wide-eyed, innocent smile.

Everything could be a ploy.

I think the main problem is just that it's such an overused tactic.  I can't even begin to name off the numbers of pretty women that have used their looks, sex, and wiles to seduce and use men (whether or not they were successful).  I can however count on the fingers of one hand the number of women I have seen forge their way along through intellect and sheer grit.  I am not at all counting combat abilities in either statements, though I do find the gith-killing, sword-slinging perfect beauty as ridiculous in-game as I do when I read about it or see it in any other fantasy medium.

[Kiri]

I think the main problem is just that it's such an overused tactic.  I can't even begin to name off the numbers of pretty women that have used their looks, sex, and wiles to seduce and use men (whether or not they were successful).  I can however count on the fingers of one hand the number of women I have seen forge their way along through intellect and sheer grit.  I am not at all counting combat abilities in either statements, though I do find the gith-killing, sword-slinging perfect beauty as ridiculous in-game as I do when I read about it or see it in any other fantasy medium.

Sheer grit is a lot harder to come by than sex appeal. And I agree with you about mixing perfect beauty with sword slinging. But in defense, there's only so many ways you can re-invent the wheel.... and for beginning characters, picking a more familiar/easily done/safer route while getting their feet... wet? sandy? only allows them to concentrate more on the mechanics and whatnot. I'm betting that most of them do something entirely different and way more intriguing their next reincarnation.

Oh, and editted to add, in response to "It's just such an overused tactic..." Hey, if it still WORKS....

[Delirium]

That's the thing though, I've rarely seen it truly pulled off successfully.

Pearl is the only PC I can think of that ever really made it as an attractive concubine-type PC and she still got by far more because of her intelligence and cunning rather than her sex appeal.


But I have seen TONS upon TONS who have tried.

[Roach]

I think the main problem is just that it's such an overused tactic.  I can't even begin to name off the numbers of pretty women that have used their looks, sex, and wiles to seduce and use men (whether or not they were successful).  I can however count on the fingers of one hand the number of women I have seen forge their way along through intellect and sheer grit.  I am not at all counting combat abilities in either statements, though I do find the gith-killing, sword-slinging perfect beauty as ridiculous in-game as I do when I read about it or see it in any other fantasy medium.

Sheer grit is a lot harder to come by than sex appeal. And I agree with you about mixing perfect beauty with sword slinging. But in defense, there's only so many ways you can re-invent the wheel.... and for beginning characters, picking a more familiar/easily done/safer route while getting their feet... wet? sandy? only allows them to concentrate more on the mechanics and whatnot. I'm betting that most of them do something entirely different and way more intriguing their next reincarnation.

Oh, and editted to add, in response to "It's just such an overused tactic..." Hey, if it still WORKS....

I agree with Delirium. And just because it works doesn't mean it's the best way to go. What you're saying sounds like a justification for something it's easier not to recognize as counterproductive.

[Tamarin]

I think grit is sexy...

*sniff*

[The7DeadlyVenomz]

I love grit. I love the ability to live and die in a breath. I love the hardass chicks in the world. I love the realism in many aspects of the world.

Adversely, I love my model-PC making fellow players too, and I am trying to get the point across that they should not be faulted or considered bad players for being what they want to be. When we complain about it, it makes it seem like we're communists, and we're not. We're an open-minded group of people in many aspects who simply don't want our world sullied.

I'm saying pretty people don't sully our world.

[Nao]

Yes, so they are prom queens and kings and kids and all that, and super-models and stuff, but my characters will prolly always like chicks like that, just because that's what I dig. This is a damned fantasy world, and as much as I like reality in the visciousness and death and world of Armageddon, I love with all my heart to see sexy ass princesses with swords and armor cutting up gith.

It's prevelant in any fantasy setting. Women can be cherished and still be deadly as fuck and confident. Look at Cattie=Brie from the Drizzt books. Wulfgar loves her and cherishs here and she looks good and all this, yet she is a top-notch fighter. Seriously, screw all this crap about ugly women and men and stuff. Let these folks be beautiful, and let them shape the world.

In all seriousness, would you put a thick-ass, muscular ass chick with a bloody axe on your wallpaper, or a slim, decent to gorgeous female with that same bloody axe on your wallpaper?

Beauty wouldn't even bother me all that much - even of the perfectly-beatiful warrior might irritate me a little, but all those female characters that play the perfect aide and crafter types and all seem to be pregnant at the same time even if they hardly ever seem to have those kids (or talk about them once they're there). The kind that would be too worried to break a nail to ever even touch an axe.

Sure, they would exist in zalanthas - but they still piss me off, especially if they are the only types I ever see. There's so many of them (talking about Tuluk now, guess it's not that bad in Allanak but I haven't been there for a long time) that they make the normal, average gritty human that would fit in perfectly seem out of place.

It's frustrating if 95% of the female chars around you fit that stereotype.. Why stick to a game with a setting like zalanthas if all you play is that sort of character that somehow managed to not have to adapt to their environment at all?
The whole ratio of gritty (be it beautiful or not) and dainty/fragile is terribly out of balance and made me dislike Tuluk a lot - don't think I'll make another character up there when my current one dies..

[LauraMars]

Hey, if they want to play it that way, let them.  My first character was a f-me aide.

(of course, that got old, but I get really bored, easily)

SOME PEOPLE like it.  So that's great that they do.  Have fun, aides.

[The7DeadlyVenomz]

Well, the ratio of Bards and Half-Elves is out of porportion as well. I guess I can understand your sentiments in the ratio aspect. Here's what I think, though. I think the ratio of Players-Who-Don't-Like-Dainty is far less than the ratio of Players-Who-Like-Dainty. Because of this, the problem will never disappear.

What I suppose Staff could start doing is offering comments about such things when they approve characters, and maybe encourage players to make less dainty females. The players who don't like dainty could ignore or develop dislike for the PCs who they IG think are pansy-ass sticks. Staff could certianly assist by maybe offering private comment to those who they think are unrealistically cute considering their line of work or recent events or ordeals, etc.

What I am saying, primarily, is that talking about it here on the board over and over again won't get anything at all about it done. I'm also saying that because this is a game where those who wish to can escape reality and be who they want to be, all while maintaining a visciously RP dedicated enviroment, people will continue to make the 'princess' character, and rather than letting it jar us from our roleplaying experience, we should accept it and move on.

Personally, I like a certian amount of beauty, and what I[/i] would hate to see is all these pretty girls disappear and the game over run with butchish and ugly females. That would jar me.[/i]

[Kiri]

I agree with Delirium. And just because it works doesn't mean it's the best way to go. What you're saying sounds like a justification for something it's easier not to recognize as counterproductive.

I wasn't trying to justify so much as say, this is a tough game to get used to, in many aspects. Trying to learn the world, the mechanics, the dangers... AND try to RP something unfamiiliar? Not everyone can do it. And we shouldn't be such snobs that we expect everyone to try. Hell, we shouldn't be such snobs that we expect them not to do something they want to try, just because we think it's "overdone."

Beauty wouldn't even bother me all that much - even of the perfectly-beatiful warrior might irritate me a little, but all those female characters that play the perfect aide and crafter types and all seem to be pregnant at the same time even if they hardly ever seem to have those kids (or talk about them once they're there). The kind that would be too worried to break a nail to ever even touch an axe.

Not every pretty face is JUST a pretty face. Sometimes that look, that smile, and that walk are just one more weapon in the armory. One step closer to that fatal knife in the ribs while you're still smiling over sniffing the perfume. When she can wriggle out of your attempts to subdue her slicker than kank shit, toss a knife in your eye from thirty paces, then kick your balls into your ears when you're down... should you discount her just because of what she looks like? On the one hand, your post says no, you wouldn't. But on the other hand... it seems to say that your first reaction will always be "Oh, another one of THOSE" without really seeing if there's any depth to the character before you discount it. If that's not the case, I apologize to you. But I think that's the first reaction of a LOT of players.

The thing is... you don't have to interact with any of them, really. And  you could say to yurself, "Why don't I see if I can encourage them to change their ways in an IC way? Like calling that merchant a pansy until she's encouraged to learn how to use a tomahawk and unmans me? Or enticing that Aide to do something incredibly dangerous and possibly stupid that gets her fired and ending up out grebbing salt?"

Those would be more productive (and possibly provide new players with exciting memories and desire to keep playing) than griping about it on the boards.