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[killa]

Omg, you nobles and 'rich people' have it all wrong. If I was a noble, (not saying that I'm not) I'd be hiring every single noobie I could. In fact, I'd hunt them down and force them to join. Why you're probably asking me? Cause Rhyden's a psycho, wrong. Cause noobies don't know how to play the game. They don't know what to do. So, as a good-hearted noble and player, you take them under your wing. Show them how to play the game ooc and ic. Then, when they've pretty much gotten the point, they're hardcore, never-wanting-to-leave you workers. Why? Cause they don't know what else to do. I'm not saying this is taking advantage of our noobies, but it's how I started playing, and hell, I'm still here, aren't I?

-You get my point.

good idea.

i thought a good way to train them is befor they point allanak or something have like a trainning area for mud playing first which teachs them the basics of rping, another mud i played had this it was good.

[sarahjc]

I remember a time when people said that Nobles hire anyone and it's too easy to get a job with a noble house.. Now... Seems we have come round full circle.

It should be hard for you to get a job with a noble house or a merchant house. When I am wearing the silky pants I will often have people prove that they really want to be hired. Give them some task to do.  If they are an absolute Newbie and I can tell, I will give them a three RL day waiting period, a task and around 100 sid. Why? Cause hiring someone is a lengthy process and it's not uncommon for Joe Newbie to die in less than a week, or realize that he wants to be a hunter and go out with his Newbie friends instead of being locked in the city as a house guard.  

Also not all newbies grasp the house and "respect" thing. They tend to be from hack and slash and are not used to real RP. This can lead to multiple uncomfortable scenes, my PC being angry at the Newbie PC for being a fuck up IC when OOC they have no idea why they can't just sit down with me or walk around the city when they are supposed to be on duty. Also I have to give you gear, assign you space, show you everything. Go over the rules and train you. It's a lot of stuff to do. And I can't tell you how many newbies come to a house looking for a job only to be dead a day later.  

Now, if a Newbie can live for the three days, perform the small task I ask of them, show some sign of inspiration to be hired and a mild understanding of the docs, I will hire them. I am not asking for employee of the month. I am just not going to go through a lot of IC efforts and time for a PC that is just looking for a place to get fed and sleep. YOu need to want to play -that- role.

Also keep in mind that a house may not be willing to take on a new player because the are rather full or the leaders do not have the time to work with a Newbie. It is much worse to be a newbie in an empty clan that it is to be a newbie free agent.

So, that said, I am all for the hiring of Newbies, it is by far the best way for them to get accustomed to the game.. I am just cautious about it and I try to be cautious in a fun way for the Newb.

[John]

I think it's bad roleplay to hire a newbie because they're a newbie or to not hire a newbie and make them go to the T'zai Byn instead. A templar once sent me to the T'zai Byn when I was a newbie. I believe he would have treated me differently had I not been a newbie. You're not doing newbie's any favor by making them go to the T'zai Byn and your not doing the Byn any favour either. Newbies learn by being around terrific roleplayers, not being sent off to the other newbies

Having said that, I tend to be nicer to newbies and am willing to help them out that little bit more. I never said it was bad to do it, just poor roleplay (although sending them off to the Byn is (IMO) bad. It may be that the employer had a perfectly valid reason to, but whenever a newbie is involved I'm skeptical ).

[Bogre]

I seem to recall the T'zai Byn being a perfect place for newbies, and that's been said by numerous people. Noble Houses are for experienced players, because if you've got a newbie who wanders around the city and then they get fired for IC consequences, you really haven't helped the newbie out, have you?

The Byn is a good training place for them, not to mention they'll probably see more action than a noble guard will.

[Cuusardo]

Some noble house clans are not very newbie-friendly with all their rules and restrictions.  Newbies tend to want to go out and explore the world rather than being confined within the walls of a city.  There is nothing wrong with wanting to go out and explore the world, but there is something wrong with going to work for a noble house, and then disobeying their rules because of that desire.

[Xamminy]

because if you've got a newbie who wanders around the city and then they get fired for IC consequences, you really haven't helped the newbie out, have you?

You've taught the newbie that there are consequences for their actions in game and that they'd better pay attention to the rules of their employer instead of going out and doing whatever they feel like.

but there is something wrong with going to work for a noble house, and then disobeying their rules because of that desire.

I would like to note that there is nothing wrong with doing this from an OOC perspective, as long as that is what your character would do.  However, don't be surprised when there are IC repurcussions, as it is bad according to the employer.

[Mar]

I think this was already mentioned, but there are my 2 sids:

Another trouble with newbies is that they need a lot of attention. If you are only leader in your clan, you might want not to hire more then one or two newbies, because you know that work with them is tiresome and having three newbies in your clan is slightly above your abilities. You should weight the options: better not hire third newbie, work with two you currently have and be sure you give them as much attention as possible (and they -need- a lot of it), than hire third one and get crazy. Yes, it's slightly unfair to third one, but there is -tons- of clans around.

Just a thought.

[Bogre]

because if you've got a newbie who wanders around the city and then they get fired for IC consequences, you really haven't helped the newbie out, have you?

You've taught the newbie that there are consequences for their actions in game and that they'd better pay attention to the rules of their employer instead of going out and doing whatever they feel like.

but there is something wrong with going to work for a noble house, and then disobeying their rules because of that desire.

I would like to note that there is nothing wrong with doing this from an OOC perspective, as long as that is what your character would do.  However, don't be surprised when there are IC repurcussions, as it is bad according to the employer.

And then they will whine when there character cannot find another job.

[Xamminy]

Life isn't fair.  Neither is Armageddon.  We, players and staff, can give them advice, but they need to learn the hard way sometimes when they don't take it.

[Intrepid]

My first pc, true pc that didn't die within ten minutes that is, had a choice
between working for the Tzai Byn and working for House Fale.  I chose
the latter as a pretty much brand new newbie and didn't regret it at all.

I was playing a warrior pc, and while it should have made more sense
for me to be around other warriors, I ended up taking the road less
traveled.  Looking back on the Byn and Fale events that were happening
now, I know for certain I would not have had as much fun playing in the
Byn.  YMMV.

Being a newbie does not exclude a pc from joining a noble house.  Being
a more experienced roleplayer does not guarantee you to be any more
intelligent.  It all comes down to common sense and playing in the world
as if your pc was a living, breathing thing.  Some people learn it, most
can't.  It's a matter of roleplay.  That said, adapt your pc.  If he/she/it
cannot find legitimate work, find it with seedier folks.  Or find work doing
tasks you may not think your pc would be willing to do.  After all, one
cannot be picky about employment in a world that has no welfare
system.  Adapt or die.

[Attana]

Well, I'm sure most of you would still consider me a newbie.  I even still consider myself one.  But I'd just like to say that it wasn't at all hard for my first character to find employment.  And -yes- it was with the Byn, but she did it and lasted, what's to me a long time.  Longer than 10 IG games, don't know if I'm allowed to say that, but she's done and over with so...

My current character didn't have any problems with finding employment either, probably because I used my first character to get to know the game and the area, and such... being with the Byn sure did help, I'd have to say.

Another thing that helped me immensely, was reading the documents, the helpfiles, ect... -before- I actually stepped into the game.  Emoting, how to talk to someone, how to sit stand and walk... I'd had to learn the codes for -everything-.  Because before Armageddon, I'd never played any other MUDD...

It was a bit confusing at times, and yes, sometimes I did want to quit, I even got uppity with my boyfriend, often annoying him because I couldn't remember the code for seeing what's in my inventory and to see what my character was wearing.  But, I learned.  And suprisingly it only took about a RL week til I only had to use the helpfiles for little things, and refreshing myself with my characters skills.  I sometimes still have to use the helpfiles, and I occasionally go back over it.  If it wasn't for the helpfiles, I'm sorry to say, but I would have given up.  The game can be really confusing, but it isn't something that can't be helped with.  Whether it's a friend who's been playing for awhile, the helpfiles, or helpers...

I myself turned my best friend to the game, and taught her everything she knows.  I'm proud to say that she's an -excellent- roleplayer.   :lol:

[tomtom]

my reconmendatio: make a ranger, and some sort of crafter(weapons are my favoritre :twisted: ) Then hunt animals, skin them, sell hides, ets. and make weapons from bones
good luck mate!

[Rhyden]

tomtom:

my reconmendatio: make a ranger, and some sort of crafter(weapons are my favoritre  ) Then hunt animals, skin them, sell hides, ets. and make weapons from bones
good luck mate!

He he he, that always works.

[Tlaloc]

My recommendation: play a role, not a race/guild/subguild combination. Sure that role may involve playing a ranger/weaponsmith, but the game isn't about surviveablity, abilities and easy ways to make money. In my experience, if you want to get people to RP with you (and thus, give you jobs), the best way to do it is to play a good, believable character.

Put your characters skills aside. They are there to help you perform. Instead, focus on interacting with people, and defining your role in the play. People will catch onto your drive, and then you'll become something they'll go after.

[Cuusardo]

(In her best Bill Lumbergh voice)  Yeah, I'm going to have to go ahead and agree with Tlaloc.

Spend some time putting thought into your character concept and the type of role you want to play.  Your character should be so much more than its skills.