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Bast

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Pregnancy and STD
« on: September 19, 2019, 04:46:11 PM »
Why don't we have Pregnancy code yet? I have played on other muds that have done this really well. It confuses me that Arm with all its super awesome code doesn't have code for this. What I would like to see is this.

-A simple 'engage sex Amos' code that would prompt Amos to consent yes or no.

-Taking muls mix would start an irl 24 hour long timer that would display like spice or poison

-lets assume the herblist's packets hold a weeks worth of doses. (some of ya'll take to damn long mud sexing)

-if both parties are on muls mix its like 98% effective

-if just one person is on Muls Mix it drops to 75% (we are talking bronze age contraceptives here 75 seems generous)

-Add a Viv spell that makes someone more fertile

-Add  a ruk spell that blocks pregnancy

-Heavy damage in combat can cause miscarriage

-Add a Drovian spell that causes miscarriage..it just sucks the little buggers soul right on out

-Let a massive overdoes of Mul's Mix cause miscarriage but it might make you sterile.

-Add an NPC in the Hall of Kings that can make you sterile if you don't want to deal with the code, if you're a mutant, or if a mek ate your balls or whatever..He can hang out with the Scars guy

-Add Pregnant to the ldesc of any female pc in second half of her 40 week pregnancy. (i.e. the pregnant lanky teen sits here)

-Pregnant player is on timer that lets them know how many weeks pregnant they are. I.E. 'You are 23 weeks pregnant, Human gestation is 40 weeks.'

-After 36 weeks pregnant your considered at risk of imminent labor. Damage could trigger labor. I.E. sorry girl you are too preggers to spar.

-After 36 weeks you can just type "give birth" to end the timer. This way you can rp it or not as you choose

-At 42 weeks the mud just tells you, "you should have given birth by now" the timer ends on its own.

STD's

-Add NPC hookers that 'walk you into the back ally' that run like 2% chance of infecting you

-Add a Whore house that players can use the request tool to join as pc hookers. This way staff is making sure this isn't being abused by players for a free apartment.

-Add Brothels to the Rinith, the Commoners Quarter, and a really cool one in Luirs

-PC hookers get free room and food because they are assumed to be seeing John's in vitrual time for there rent.

-PC hookers at the brothel run a random chance of picking up STD's. This risk is MUCH higher for the Hookers at Rinth brothel.

-Give stds an incubation period where the PC can spread it but doesn't know they have it yet.

-make IG cures for all but the most nasty STD's

- Add a Viv spell that cures STD's

-Let Templars fine the crap of Whores that aren't operating under a NPC madame at a Whore to encourage people to use the brothels. (Token of the Nightwalker?)

-Make horrible STD that is Non lethal to Elves but kills humans slowly with no cure >.> <.<  ;)

Seriously it feel cheesy when your pc is engaging in risky behavior without some chances of real life consequences. I think this would add a ton to the game. When is the last time you saw a Female Noble PC get pregnant outside a marriage contract despite the hedonistic lifestyle of Southern Nobility? Or how often have you seen a prego player almost die in multiple combats claim the baby is fine- despite being late term? Or someone conveniently get pregnant when it would impose the maxim amount of unnecessary drama? Its rare to see whore PC ever complain of unwanted pregnancies or STD's from my experience.
« Last Edit: September 19, 2019, 04:53:18 PM by Bast »
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LindseyBalboa

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Re: Pregnancy and STD
« Reply #1 on: September 19, 2019, 04:58:22 PM »
I have staffed on games where this is a thing, and I don't know about staff here (although I'm going to wager sentiments are the same), but having to regulate whether or not people were banging in game but skipping the consequences of having a pregnancy chance was not on my Top 100 list of Things to Do. Or Top 1000. Or at all.

I think of this kind of thing like code-forced shaving. Sure, it's realistic. But why would I have to RP that if I didn't want to? I can pose it, I can do it if I want, but please don't make me shave every day. In the same sense if I decided to play a pregnant woman one day, please don't make me RP all the shit that goes with it, or sit in a room and not go out and do fun every-day things without being forced to possibly RP a miscarriage.

Lastly, as for STDs, it falls right back into enforcing people's sexual escapades and having to regulate whether or not they're using a command. STDs can be sources of RP, for sure - I know a guy that played some Star Wars MUX or MUSH and rolled up a doctor who diagnosed like every other person on a capital ship with STDs because that was most of the RP on that ship. You could suddenly accuse a sexual partner of giving you the clap here, too, and use it against them, all the while without asking staff to watch you RP out sex and also make sure you're using a command to roll a risk of catching Zalanthas herpes.

TL;DR I think this stuff should remain up to player decision to RP them out
« Last Edit: September 19, 2019, 05:01:55 PM by LindseyBalboa »

Alesan

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Re: Pregnancy and STD
« Reply #2 on: September 19, 2019, 05:00:38 PM »
Yeah, I don't see this as necessary or a good idea at all. For all of the reasons LindseyBalboa stated.

Bast

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Re: Pregnancy and STD
« Reply #3 on: September 19, 2019, 05:03:48 PM »
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« Last Edit: September 19, 2019, 05:05:54 PM by Bast »
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Bast

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Re: Pregnancy and STD
« Reply #4 on: September 19, 2019, 05:04:42 PM »


TL;DR I think this stuff should remain up to player decision to RP them out

Which is why I said there should be a CONSENT message you can type NO to and NPC that can sterilize you if you don't want to deal with it.
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Re: Pregnancy and STD
« Reply #5 on: September 19, 2019, 05:05:49 PM »
The issue with that, to me, is you can already choose TO engage in having STDs or pregnancies, instead of defaulting everyone to engage in such things and then require them to say no. So, same exact end result, but without having to do anything. Wish up and ask for some sores or RP some symptoms out if you want to go that route.

Bast

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Re: Pregnancy and STD
« Reply #6 on: September 19, 2019, 05:16:26 PM »
The issue with that, to me, is you can already choose TO engage in having STDs or pregnancies, instead of defaulting everyone to engage in such things and then require them to say no. So, same exact end result, but without having to do anything. Wish up and ask for some sores or RP some symptoms out if you want to go that route.

Again its a simple prompt you choose to type no to if you don't want that level of depth added to how you play the game. You are required ask a player OOC for contest in a sexual situation any way. Here you can still have your mud sex just don't consent to the code.  I feel in no way that game play is burdened by having someone ask OOC if I am okay proceeding with a scene of sexual nature or torture ect. I am just clarifying here otherwise we will just have to agree to disagree. 
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Re: Pregnancy and STD
« Reply #7 on: September 19, 2019, 06:34:19 PM »
TL;DR I think this stuff should remain up to player decision to RP them out
+100%

Which is why I said there should be a CONSENT message you can type NO to and NPC that can sterilize you if you don't want to deal with it.

I personally feel that is a rather extreme set of binary options when a story can be subtle and nuanced as it currently stands.

Why don't we have Pregnancy code yet?

I personally would much rather have the expansion to the wound system we just got and refinements to it than sex code. This sounds like a lot of work for a very narrow payoff to a specific subset of players. I don't want this code.

There are all kinds of divergent cultural norms regarding pregnancy and sexuality leading to the expectation of how it should be manifested in game. I feel the current setting and norms IG allow for those to be expressed as the characters involved wish to. Sometimes staff do get involved and I have generally found that to be an enhancement to the plot in question, but I also have seen people react very strongly towards the negative when that happens. Players emphasize different parts of the story, sometimes people aren't going to care about the same things in the same way, or at all.

Seriously it feel cheesy when your pc is engaging in risky behavior without some chances of real life consequences.

There are differing perspectives regarding risk and consequence. There is already a high risk of death not to mention organizational influences that affect professional sex work.

I do not feel adding a coded aspect would enhance my experience of the game in any way.

Its rare to see whore PC ever complain of unwanted pregnancies or STD's from my experience.

It's rare to scare away your clients or hear medics tell you how many people they got sick/killed while training. My experience is to the contrary, I have heard plenty of complaining... between whores in private or to their trusted confidants. I don't recall hearing frequent discussion of STDs in the real world, and we have much better education, identification, and screening than Zalanthas. Maybe that person that crosses their legs so often has crotch scrabs and is playing it subtle, just because someone doesn't 'shout I HAVE AN STD' doesn't mean they aren't trying to roleplay it. I don't expect everyone in Zalanthas to even have a concept that you can transmit sickness through sex. Probably sex workers and medics have a vague idea, but I see 'I walked past the gick quarter' as being 5x more likely than 'I had sex with a whore' as the default rationalization.

I personally find miscarriage to be extremely traumatic, so I don't RP it. I have no problem with STDs or unwanted pregnancies, so I will RP those (and have). I don't think gender equality would be as much a thing as it is supposed to be on Zalanthas if pregnant women were treated like invalids. They do all the same things the men do, the infant mortality rate is high, but it is virtual for me. I won't try to make others confirm to my expectations, but I will play the role and story the way that it makes sense to me.

Trying to codedly enforce consequence for sexual behavior is not a direction I would like to see us move in. Play it or don't. If you want to see more miscarriages and STDs, do it. No one is stopping you.



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Re: Pregnancy and STD
« Reply #8 on: September 19, 2019, 06:55:11 PM »
I am not for pregnancy code. It's completely unnecessary.
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Re: Pregnancy and STD
« Reply #9 on: September 19, 2019, 06:55:31 PM »
There are multiple RPIs at the moment with a system similar to what Bast is suggesting. For the purpose of example, I am going to reference Harshlands here. They have a very advanced and automated system towards intercourse and the after effects of said intercourse in terms of realism. You can bypass it by simply not accepting the programmed insemination, yes, but you can also immerse yourself into the realism of cause and effect. There are potions that boost fertility and there are teas that prevent pregnancy or abort said pregnancy. There is the risk of ensuring yourself sterile in the process. Some races have lower percentage of success rates in getting pregnant and there is a coded chance of the gender of the child, whether you have twins, or triplets, or even the child is born ill due to attempting to birth on your own.

Some of you will say its not needed here, or have said thus already, but there is a percentage of players who enjoy the aspect of having families and that story told therein. I would support it and that isn't the story I even play for. I simply believe in more realism and if I want to slum it and bang some elf from the alleys as a bard, I absolutely should run the risk of both a disease and the public scrutiny when and if I produce a breed.

So in summation, I am absolutely on the good ship of pregnancy/STD automation. I do not support necessarily forcing me as a player to experience a miscarriage or the death of a child or my PC in birth, not that it was suggested but I am laying that blanket out.

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Hauwke

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Re: Pregnancy and STD
« Reply #10 on: September 19, 2019, 07:08:47 PM »
There are multiple RPIs at the moment with a system similar to what Bast is suggesting. For the purpose of example, I am going to reference Harshlands here. They have a very advanced and automated system towards intercourse and the after effects of said intercourse in terms of realism. You can bypass it by simply not accepting the programmed insemination, yes, but you can also immerse yourself into the realism of cause and effect. There are potions that boost fertility and there are teas that prevent pregnancy or abort said pregnancy. There is the risk of ensuring yourself sterile in the process. Some races have lower percentage of success rates in getting pregnant and there is a coded chance of the gender of the child, whether you have twins, or triplets, or even the child is born ill due to attempting to birth on your own.

Some of you will say its not needed here, or have said thus already, but there is a percentage of players who enjoy the aspect of having families and that story told therein. I would support it and that isn't the story I even play for. I simply believe in more realism and if I want to slum it and bang some elf from the alleys as a bard, I absolutely should run the risk of both a disease and the public scrutiny when and if I produce a breed.

So in summation, I am absolutely on the good ship of pregnancy/STD automation. I do not support necessarily forcing me as a player to experience a miscarriage or the death of a child or my PC in birth, not that it was suggested but I am laying that blanket out.

Post Script: We're adults. Let those of us who want babies to have baby objects with an oprog preventing eating.

There is always the option of just choosing to have an STD, half the fun of Zalanthas in my mind is playing out the things that go wrong and the things that affect your character.

I would have delved deeper into it on a PC that was lousy with things, but didn't get the chance to get to that point which was supremely disappointing because it was so much fun.

But, back on topic.

I support this as an idea if a staffer wants to spend their time organizing and coding it all. It would be a sizeable job though, need to code the diseases and then the triggers as well. Kudos to the guy who wants to do it. But I don't feel it entirely necessary to have.

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Re: Pregnancy and STD
« Reply #11 on: September 19, 2019, 07:19:51 PM »
I wrote up some random chance tables a few years ago that you could use for objective pregnancy and STI calculation.  They also include tables for magickal STIs.  Look for the part where is says “sleeps with someone” in red, and the disease tables at the bottom of the post.
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Re: Pregnancy and STD
« Reply #12 on: September 19, 2019, 08:08:27 PM »
Firstly, you writing an extensive list with a ton of ideas was fun and cool to read! You put a lot of thought and effort into this and I appreciate that as a member of this community!

Though, I am not for coded pregnancies. The person most effected by a pregnancy would be the woman, I would say. The code would be forced on only one side and to me that kinda leaves an odd shift in power dynamics between the genders. Something that is not existent in the world of Zalanthas. I'm a little odd with gender though, so maybe this is just me.

Hauwke

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Re: Pregnancy and STD
« Reply #13 on: September 19, 2019, 08:27:39 PM »
It's already that way, really. Just not backed by the code. Any way you play it, a woman has to carry the baby.

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Re: Pregnancy and STD
« Reply #14 on: September 19, 2019, 09:49:57 PM »
Like, I super am into automating and making pregnancy, birth, and like 'kanking' a little more realistic. Nothing hurts my brain more in like interaction than when people are like 'instant pregnant' or at like 3 weeks in magickally know they're expecting twins and stuff or like just so happen to have like twins to skate around or hurry up a contract and stuff.

I came to this game from another game where like ALL of the like act of baby-making is automated. You get together, the male runs 'inseminate <PC/NPC>' and like the other has to Accept. If you miss it, then you miss it. There's no point to just spamming it, it only counts 1x per IC day. The chance on getting with child is completely coded and like you can increase chances with certain objs in game and you can prevent pregnancy with other certain objs like mul mix that give a documented risk of like making you sterile. Some races have a harder chance to get pregnant and some race combos just wont work.

I absolutely think STD code is lit and already there's like code seeming in place for it especially with other diseases/effects from the world and activities. I think there should super be a code risk to kanking in that alley or like catching something from PC A who has been kanking Elf B and Breed M, N, P, and G so on.

I also would like there to be some baby objs. I feel like not having the objs means I like can't be trusted to not be OOC dumb. Like if I choose to have babies IG and I know the documented risks of like it being born sick if I have it in the desert by myself, or that if I engage in heavy combat I can lose the pregnancy, or that like if I leave the obj unattended in an apartment it can be stolen by an elf and like sold.

I like it Bast!


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Re: Pregnancy and STD
« Reply #15 on: September 19, 2019, 10:34:29 PM »
Based off this idea, I'd like if there were coded advantages to engaging in leisure activities to encourage PCs to carouse more.
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Re: Pregnancy and STD
« Reply #16 on: September 19, 2019, 11:07:27 PM »
Based off this idea, I'd like if there were coded advantages to engaging in leisure activities to encourage PCs to carouse more.

You make a baby? Genetics carry on? Like what are you expecting here?

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Re: Pregnancy and STD
« Reply #17 on: September 19, 2019, 11:11:55 PM »
Give me +wisdom for getting laid since I'm only thinking with my brain
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Re: Pregnancy and STD
« Reply #18 on: September 19, 2019, 11:12:23 PM »
So... we've talking about baby-making skill-gains again?

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Re: Pregnancy and STD
« Reply #19 on: September 19, 2019, 11:14:45 PM »
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Re: Pregnancy and STD
« Reply #21 on: September 20, 2019, 12:48:01 AM »
If it's an optional parallel system for those players who want to use it then there'd be no reason not to have a system like this (if someone wants to code it).  To each their own. 

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Re: Pregnancy and STD
« Reply #22 on: September 20, 2019, 02:07:02 AM »
I don't want to force anyone to play pregnancy or miscarriage but if people wanted to use it as an optional tool I'd be okay with that.

When my last character that got pregnant was pregnant a staff did a small echo of her feeling her baby move and it was like the sweetest thing ever.  That was enough for me.

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Re: Pregnancy and STD
« Reply #23 on: September 20, 2019, 12:51:34 PM »
Sigh.

Support for this idea is annoying me so if you're not ready to hear about pregnancy reality, consider yourself warned.

Pregnancy symptoms:
Missed period - wtf is the request for a period code where it lasts a week and comes with its own set of symptoms? Oh? You don't want THAT, right? Cramps, bleeding on your clothes, clothes not fitting, diarrhea AND MORE!
Sore boobs - the entire pregnancy - sparring blows to the chest are gonna be grrreatttt.
Mood swings - random mini-mul rage. Cool.
Exhaustion - random chance of falling asleep.
Forgetfulness - stat decreases for the length of the pregnancy, maybe you forget to use the way.
Gas and bloating - I better see some hemoted farts and atinky echoes when a pregnant pc is around.
Increased hunger - speed that code up.
Cravings - hunger code doesn't go away unless you eat what you're craving.
Nausea and vomiting - random puking better be present.
Constipation - (wait for it)
Frequent Urination - wtf is THAT code?

Who here roleplays urination and defecation every ic day?


Not one of us.

Pregnancy is more than a flutter in your belly that brings you joy.

And there are more symptoms. The above are the "normal" ones.

Picking and choosing to codedly enhance a character's pregnancy "for realism" without adding all the bodily functions that go hand in hand "for realism" would be messed up. 

Btw, I've been pregnant irl and IG and I'm much more against a half assed quasi realistic pregnancy code than against pregnancy code itself.

This is a role playing game. 
You want more realism? Let it be a conscious decision to be a better, more realistic pregnant person. Roleplay it.

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Re: Pregnancy and STD
« Reply #24 on: September 20, 2019, 06:56:11 PM »
What?

No.

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Re: Pregnancy and STD
« Reply #25 on: September 20, 2019, 08:49:59 PM »
I now very much want to have a PC who dies of eclampsia.

and then a repeat concept who survives childbirth, goes everywhere with her back-wearable babby object, settles down by a water seep to raise it through the Hitchable NPC stage, teaches it herbology, and finally sends out a role call for it to become a Real Boy.

Note that I'm all about Arm-the-simulation, and am highly unlikely to become pregnant IRL.

Support for this idea is annoying me so if you're not ready to hear about pregnancy reality, consider yourself warned.

Most of those arguments also apply to hacking people up with bone swordz.  Which, true, few of us are likely to experience, so perhaps it's less troubling to romanticize it.
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Re: Pregnancy and STD
« Reply #26 on: September 20, 2019, 10:21:39 PM »
I now very much want to have a PC who dies of eclampsia.

and then a repeat concept who survives childbirth, goes everywhere with her back-wearable babby object, settles down by a water seep to raise it through the Hitchable NPC stage, teaches it herbology, and finally sends out a role call for it to become a Real Boy.

Note that I'm all about Arm-the-simulation, and am highly unlikely to become pregnant IRL.

Support for this idea is annoying me so if you're not ready to hear about pregnancy reality, consider yourself warned.

Most of those arguments also apply to hacking people up with bone swordz.  Which, true, few of us are likely to experience, so perhaps it's less troubling to romanticize it.

If it was allowed, I would 100% send out an invitation for one of you guys to play my kid for 10 minutes then die to a scrab.

In all seriousness though, is that a thing I can do?

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Re: Pregnancy and STD
« Reply #27 on: September 21, 2019, 09:42:37 AM »
Why? Because staff have seen the response to any sort of realism on either front.

People tend to gravitate towards "perfect" births, children, and so on. I can think of a handful of times off the top of my head where, even another player rather than staff, have done/acted in such a way to cause death or dismemberment to a child....Well, it wasn't pretty. Same applies to any STD involvement.
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Re: Pregnancy and STD
« Reply #28 on: September 21, 2019, 01:43:45 PM »
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Re: Pregnancy and STD
« Reply #29 on: September 21, 2019, 04:30:58 PM »
I so want to see STD's in the game... and would also like to see an end of the Mexican Soap Opera babies/pregnancies and the 2 week pregnancies . I also just want to leave deciding whether my pc gets preggers or not to the dice. I really like Teacups comment about only having one roll a day though.

I am not gonna argue with anyone else over there own opinion on it but thanks guys for expressing your own opinions. I will say I played in another mud once where pregnancy code was added. Everyone ended up loving it. I was pretty against it until I used it now I am a fan.
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Re: Pregnancy and STD
« Reply #30 on: September 21, 2019, 04:48:45 PM »
i don't think the inclusion of coded std's would improve anyone's gameplay experience

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Re: Pregnancy and STD
« Reply #31 on: September 21, 2019, 04:57:13 PM »
You can always have staff handle the choices and dice rolls for children. It works well, especially if you're willing to roll with the unexpected. I would prefer a scenario where you give them that permission, however, as having someone take over the reins of your character without permission is rarely enjoyable. The player behind the character will always be best equipped to make judgment calls on those sorts of stories. If they go the low drama route, who is it really hurting?
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Re: Pregnancy and STD
« Reply #32 on: September 21, 2019, 06:01:02 PM »
What?

No.

No thank you.

C'mon.  You know you want to be forced to RP pregnancy, still birth, miscarriage and STDs in a game world instead of having an escapism from RL where female bodily autonomy is constantly being called into question!  Can we get a Donald Trump IG railing against Planned Parenthood and casting tweet spells next?!   ;D

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Re: Pregnancy and STD
« Reply #33 on: September 21, 2019, 06:11:24 PM »
I believe the way it is now is preferable by far.

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Re: Pregnancy and STD
« Reply #34 on: September 21, 2019, 07:21:17 PM »
If it was handled well, it could be just another fun mini-game just like Teks Tower or Kruth. 

Completely optional, but fun for those people who want to put the gambling pieces on the board and roll them bones.

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Re: Pregnancy and STD
« Reply #35 on: September 21, 2019, 07:24:17 PM »
What?

No.

No thank you.

C'mon.  You know you want to be forced to RP pregnancy, still birth, miscarriage and STDs in a game world instead of having an escapism from RL where female bodily autonomy is constantly being called into question!  Can we get a Donald Trump IG railing against Planned Parenthood and casting tweet spells next?!   ;D

It's not about body autonomy though, its about realism in a world where getting an abortion is deadly. You can't just stick a coat hanger in your junk and successfully pull a baby out without some serious damage to the mother.

In this one, very specific instance, the mantra of "don't want a baby? Don't have sex" applies, because that's how sex works in a world where the best contraceptives they have include eating random asssortments of herbs and the pull out method.

I am a big supporter of body autonomy for all people in the real world, it's just that we are here to tell a story and having full control over everything is less fun than RPing through the bad shit that happens. Sometimes it's more fun to let go of control and have your kneecaps broken and then go through the story arc and changes that result from that.

I don't want to sit there and tavern RP for the sixtieth time this month, and I definately don't want my characters life to be perfect. Changing it up is how our characters grow and develop.

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Re: Pregnancy and STD
« Reply #36 on: September 21, 2019, 08:05:56 PM »
In this one, very specific instance, the mantra of "don't want a baby? Don't have sex" applies, because that's how sex works in a world where the best contraceptives they have include eating random asssortments of herbs and the pull out method.

You're not wrong but the problem with this is it creates a different attitude toward women having sex as pregnancy is exclusive to females. This is sexist when there's adamantly no sexism in Zalanthas.

I'd honestly rather just pretend that Zalanthan women can put up a psionic barrier that prevents pregnancy, even if it's unrealistic and stupid, than go down the avenue of potentially creating an attitude where women having unprotected sex is more irresponsible than a man doing it.

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Re: Pregnancy and STD
« Reply #37 on: September 21, 2019, 10:15:34 PM »
What?

No.

No thank you.

C'mon.  You know you want to be forced to RP pregnancy, still birth, miscarriage and STDs in a game world instead of having an escapism from RL where female bodily autonomy is constantly being called into question!  Can we get a Donald Trump IG railing against Planned Parenthood and casting tweet spells next?!   ;D
I don't want to sit there and tavern RP for the sixtieth time this month, and I definately don't want my characters life to be perfect. Changing it up is how our characters grow and develop.

That's awesome.  And you don't have to.  As mentioned, you can ask staff to decide a good fate or turn of events if you are open to whatever.  I too have RP'd some not happy endings to pregnancies IG.  But no one should be forced to do that.

Like rape plots, miscarriage and still birth can be very triggering and alter someone's character forever.  I don't want someone who's experienced the RL horror and pain of such an incident to be forced to RP something like that because the coded decided it.

I think it could be a fun option for those that want the game to roll it for them.  But it should remain just that.  An option.

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Re: Pregnancy and STD
« Reply #38 on: September 21, 2019, 10:17:15 PM »
Not terribly interested in this.

Then again I wasn’t interested in nipple rings.

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teacup

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Re: Pregnancy and STD
« Reply #39 on: September 21, 2019, 11:09:34 PM »
Still support STDs and pregnancy code because like I've experienced on other RPIs, it positively enriches the game and there's no stillbirths or miscarriages unless YOU the Player absolutely ask Staff for that if that's the kind of like RP Story you're wanting to endure. With Harshlands the /only/ echoes of pregnancy you get are the confirmation that yep you're pregnant and like a notification on 2nd and 3rd trimesters and you get a flag on your description so there's no like hiding you're pregnant after 2nd trimester without being like cloaked 247 or like avoiding PCs. When its time for birth, you get a notification you're ready to like give birth any time and you have like a RL week to run the prog, out pops a baby obj. Like if you have the baby alone, there's a % of risk that the baby obj is flagged 'sick' but you just go to like a physician/healer PC or NPC and they run a craft where they like check up on the baby and like its okay. This prevents ANY kind of trigger-flicking for people who don't want to experience stillbirths or miscarriages which are super hard. AGAIN, there are things in game that codedly stop insemination or just don't do the ERP. Like if you don't want to get someone pregnant or be pregnant, take the potions, don't run insemination or accept it. Get pregnant but don't want to be? Drink the fix for it. Like its handled 100% maturely other places without all this push back. Its realistic and I bet if Staff did an anonymous survey there's plenty of players out there who would like the opportunity to have baby objs and coded realism for this sort of thing.

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Re: Pregnancy and STD
« Reply #40 on: September 22, 2019, 02:12:55 AM »
I'm not a fan of this idea.

Your opinion is valid, but I don't like the idea.

Refugee

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Re: Pregnancy and STD
« Reply #41 on: September 22, 2019, 07:30:52 AM »
You can choose to have all these consequences if you think you would find that fun.  Coding it forces people to.

So, while the way it is everyone can choose what they'd like to play out, coding it removes the choices for one portion of the playerbase who don't want to play that way.

You already can have what you describe, just roll the dice if you don't like making the decision.  But don't force it on everyone.  Let people have the fun they want to have in this very personal area.

I don't mind the part about the baby objects.  I've played in games with baby objects and was surprised I didn't find them here.  But I seem to remember reading about the baby object issue being about allocating staffers' time in dealing with drama over losing/stealing/"but I didn't do that..." stuff.  OK, no problem, I'm not a great emoter but I'm skilled enough to make baby RP without needing an object.

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Re: Pregnancy and STD
« Reply #42 on: September 22, 2019, 02:37:10 PM »
I think the staff time issue with baby objects would be that each would need an individual desc (sort of like a mastercraft), because no two babies are going to look the same.

Though now I have a daycare idea: A stables for baby objects.  You rent the baby with a nursery.  Clans have free nurseries.  Other people have to pay to rent their baby objects.  Then there's a Kasix NPC who buys baby objects.  Your baby was stolen and sold to slavers?  Sucks to be you.

This started out as a joke idea but now I kind of want it.
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Re: Pregnancy and STD
« Reply #43 on: September 22, 2019, 03:28:24 PM »
Again...Sterilization as option in the hall of kings...You don't want to deal with your pc getting pregnant there is an easy fix right there. Taking it to some bizarre extreme where by even mentioning it is an attack on feminism is utterly ridiculous.  :P Considering this is a real life thing for ever woman ever. You want to run around banging elves and breeds you should run the same risk of consequences in our HARSH BRUTAL game setting that you do in irl. At least in real life your less likely to get murdered by your mate?  ;D
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Re: Pregnancy and STD
« Reply #44 on: September 22, 2019, 03:29:36 PM »
P.S. please no baby objects. We have already been that road and learned Arm players can not be trusted with children objects  ;)
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Re: Pregnancy and STD
« Reply #45 on: September 23, 2019, 02:39:57 AM »
I'll be honest, my biggest issue with pregnancy code was going to be baby objects. I won't go into why since it's a moot point. However, I don't really understand the purpose of coded pregnancy otherwise. Everything can be carried out via RP. And without anything to 'show for' pregnancy, i.e. a baby object, people can just 100% dodge pregnancy code and RP things out as they are doing now.

I have mixed feelings on this as a whole, but it sounds like a lot of work from staff for what seems to be a purely optional and very easy to bypass system.

Is the purpose to have coded support for negative modifiers you can't simply RP out? Is it to force all players who want to partake in that sort of RP to make the same dice rolls so no on can 'game the system'? I don't want to sound condescending in anyway but I genuinely don't get it. Especially, from the perspective of 'code abuse' its far too easy to simply RP convincingly without utilizing the code put in place. You can't really RP being swordsmith without the skill to craft swords, but you can easily RP being a parent without a baby object (even if they did exist, unless they had intermittent echoes or something. Shudder).

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Re: Pregnancy and STD
« Reply #46 on: September 23, 2019, 08:01:05 AM »
We could make it so men can also get pregnant and STDs cause them to miscarry, and their penii to rot and necrotize.

I'm on board with that!
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Re: Pregnancy and STD
« Reply #47 on: September 23, 2019, 12:35:30 PM »
We could make it so men can also get pregnant and STDs cause them to miscarry, and their penii to rot and necrotize.

I'm on board with that!

We could just make it so that there aren't multiple sexes in Arm. Instead, everyone has both sex organs and can be as feminine or masculine as they want without us having to worry about the real life issues regarding gender identity. Eliminate genders altogether!

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DesertT

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Re: Pregnancy and STD
« Reply #48 on: September 23, 2019, 02:59:57 PM »
Pregnancy symptoms:
Missed period - wtf is the request for a period code where it lasts a week and comes with its own set of symptoms? Oh? You don't want THAT, right? Cramps, bleeding on your clothes, clothes not fitting, diarrhea AND MORE!
Sore boobs - the entire pregnancy - sparring blows to the chest are gonna be grrreatttt.
Mood swings - random mini-mul rage. Cool.
Exhaustion - random chance of falling asleep.
Forgetfulness - stat decreases for the length of the pregnancy, maybe you forget to use the way.
Gas and bloating - I better see some hemoted farts and atinky echoes when a pregnant pc is around.
Increased hunger - speed that code up.
Cravings - hunger code doesn't go away unless you eat what you're craving.
Nausea and vomiting - random puking better be present.
Constipation - (wait for it)
Frequent Urination - wtf is THAT code?

My wife and I have 8 kids together, she adds:

Nine month waddle
Lower crotch pain
Not being able to pick up fallen objects
Desire to kill everything male
Random bouts of crying
Unable to shave legs or trim toe nails
Can't put your own socks on / can't reach feet / slide-on shoes only

I'm sure we can come up with more...  :D

Let's not even talk about nursing every 2-3 hours
Leaky boobs / Random let down
Milk duct infections
Gotta have poop and vomit stains all over your clothes too!!

Oh my, this is fun!!
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Re: Pregnancy and STD
« Reply #49 on: September 24, 2019, 03:52:19 PM »
No because...
Coding it forces people to.


One of my whores got fleas (read: was forced by staff) once. She was METICULOUS about cleansing. She checked every client. I was pissed.

Forcing an STD on someone or a pregnancy... yeah. No.
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Re: Pregnancy and STD
« Reply #50 on: September 24, 2019, 05:26:37 PM »
No because...
Coding it forces people to.


One of my whores got fleas (read: was forced by staff) once. She was METICULOUS about cleansing. She checked every client. I was pissed.

Forcing an STD on someone or a pregnancy... yeah. No.

Fleas aren't an std though, its the same thing as head lice and that isn't spread through sexual contact. It is spread through nearly any and all physical contact.

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Re: Pregnancy and STD
« Reply #51 on: September 26, 2019, 12:08:35 AM »
No because...
Coding it forces people to.


One of my whores got fleas (read: was forced by staff) once. She was METICULOUS about cleansing. She checked every client. I was pissed.

Forcing an STD on someone or a pregnancy... yeah. No.

Fleas aren't an std though, its the same thing as head lice and that isn't spread through sexual contact. It is spread through nearly any and all physical contact.
Negative, not on Arm. On Arm they're force on you by staff if you're not anywhere the code adds it.
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Re: Pregnancy and STD
« Reply #52 on: September 26, 2019, 12:24:18 AM »
Fleas are absolutely not an STD, they are an infestation and hanging out in a place like the Gaj should have the possibility of giving them to you. Hell, even Reds should. Fleas and lice were a huge issue.

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Re: Pregnancy and STD
« Reply #53 on: September 26, 2019, 01:15:17 AM »
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Sand Fleas are much like Kank Fleas, though they strike only the genital area. They are transmitted through sexual contact and sleeping in a contaminated bed or wearing contaminated clothing. They cause itching and blue spots on the skin can sometimes appear. They can be removed by removal of infested hair and something acidic put on the skin.

Tl;DR: You get them by banging someone who has them, wearing the clothing of someone who has them, or being in bed with someone who has them.

Being in the same bar or riding through the desert, nicht.

Hauwke

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Re: Pregnancy and STD
« Reply #54 on: September 26, 2019, 02:44:57 AM »
Those specific fleas sure. I refuse to believe that Allanak does not have a common flee problem.

Or an equivalent, obviously. Some kind of lice.

Lizzie

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Re: Pregnancy and STD
« Reply #55 on: September 26, 2019, 08:27:36 AM »
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Sand Fleas are much like Kank Fleas, though they strike only the genital area. They are transmitted through sexual contact and sleeping in a contaminated bed or wearing contaminated clothing. They cause itching and blue spots on the skin can sometimes appear. They can be removed by removal of infested hair and something acidic put on the skin.

Tl;DR: You get them by banging someone who has them, wearing the clothing of someone who has them, or being in bed with someone who has them.

Being in the same bar or riding through the desert, nicht.

Or sleeping in a bed that someone infected with them slept in previously. You don't necessarily have to be in bed with someone who is infected. If the mattress is infected, there's a risk you'll get infected too. Just like bed bugs.
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Re: Pregnancy and STD
« Reply #56 on: October 13, 2019, 09:52:25 PM »
One of my best friends pays 15k for her daughters private school they just had an outbreak of lice. Just saying how clean you are has nothing to do with picking up fleas.

oggotale

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Re: Pregnancy and STD
« Reply #57 on: October 20, 2019, 02:20:05 PM »
The hell, why not just leave this to RP?

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Re: Pregnancy and STD
« Reply #58 on: October 20, 2019, 02:43:38 PM »
Those specific fleas sure. I refuse to believe that Allanak does not have a common flee problem.

Or an equivalent, obviously. Some kind of lice.

Perhaps it's SO common that the humanoid biology has evolved in the world of Zalanthas to have little to no adverse reactions to them. Sort of microbes on the soles of your feet. There are about 100 different types of fungi that live on your feet, but most people live blissfully ignorant of them.
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