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MeTekillot

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Crucifixion
« on: October 23, 2018, 06:57:30 AM »
Why doesn't Allanak do this?
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Dar

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Re: Crucifixion
« Reply #1 on: October 23, 2018, 07:36:19 AM »
What would they crucify people on? 20 feet tall wooden beams?

MeTekillot

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Re: Crucifixion
« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2018, 07:40:10 AM »
Jade and black dyed stone crosses instead. There could be a circle of them at Meleth's.
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Dar

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Re: Crucifixion
« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2018, 07:49:22 AM »
I guess. Keep in mind, this wont be an easy thing.

A cross like that will have a tendency to crumble, etc

Wooden beams roman empire crilucified people on were nice due to their ease.  Cut down two small trees. Debark, debranch, nail together. Tada! And they were never placed inside city bounds due to smell and sanitation concerns.

Allanak simply doesnt have that need.

MeTekillot

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Re: Crucifixion
« Reply #4 on: October 23, 2018, 08:01:54 AM »
Smell and sanitation, huh?
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yousuff

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Re: Crucifixion
« Reply #5 on: October 23, 2018, 08:10:05 AM »
Lol we have obsidian breastplates so all sense of realism with regards to "it'll crumble/shatter/be fragile" are out the window. Also not to be snarky but pointing out the obvious here, if Allanak is concerned about hygiene they wouldn't have a massive festering pile of bodies in the open streets in Meleth's. Have bone crosses and crucify people from those, would be very Allanaki
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Re: Crucifixion
« Reply #6 on: October 23, 2018, 09:32:32 AM »
Nah. Resources too scarce to crucify en mass.

Hang corpses off the walls!

IronGold

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Re: Crucifixion
« Reply #7 on: October 23, 2018, 09:37:44 AM »
Why Crucify when we have the preferred Cuddler or the Arena for executions? If you are going to be killed in Allanak we're going to enjoy killing you and watching you die in a spray of blood rather than a long and drawn out process that no one enjoys watching. On and OOC note, the executions try to give more of a scene for the player and I doubt a player is going to want to RP out being in pain for several RL hours before someone stabs them to make sure they are dead anyway.

daughterofauset

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Re: Crucifixion
« Reply #8 on: October 23, 2018, 09:52:29 AM »
Nah. Resources too scarce to crucify en mass.

Hang corpses off the walls!

This, but also the arena post. I get wanting to draw out suffering but this seems like maybe not the funnest way to do that for the audience. Yes crucifixion was a way Romans killed people but the arena was too, and we already have an arena in game.
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Re: Crucifixion
« Reply #9 on: October 23, 2018, 10:49:54 AM »
If it's about which materials would realistically hold up, those sandstone Templar statues all over the place should be long gone. I wouldn't mind if it was done, but I'd appreciate it more as a flavor thing in the background rather than anything that happens to PCs.

Dar

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Re: Crucifixion
« Reply #10 on: October 23, 2018, 12:11:07 PM »
Smell and sanitation, huh?

I'm talking about ancient rome.

Allanak:pile of corpses in main square and hygiene be damned.

Rome: we cant leave corpses inside cities. So we crucify them on top of hills/along main roads on tall crosses to maximize visibility.

Lutagar

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Re: Crucifixion
« Reply #11 on: October 23, 2018, 12:22:40 PM »
it's just not a very exciting way to execute pcs

effectively you're just starving them to death but only in a very public way

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Re: Crucifixion
« Reply #12 on: October 23, 2018, 12:55:26 PM »
What we need are more HANGINGS!

Break out the fried tubers and mugs of ale, boys, it's time to go watch some feet kick!

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razorback

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Re: Crucifixion
« Reply #13 on: October 23, 2018, 05:17:45 PM »
What we need are more HANGINGS!

Break out the fried tubers and mugs of ale, boys, it's time to go watch some feet kick!

Getcher rotten petoch ready to throw!
Wouldn't even need a gallows. Just have a half-giant raise his arm.
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th3kaiser

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Re: Crucifixion
« Reply #14 on: October 23, 2018, 05:47:58 PM »
Just so we're clear, people don't starve to death on a crucifix. It tends to be exhaustion and asphyxiation.

MeTekillot

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Re: Crucifixion
« Reply #15 on: October 23, 2018, 06:14:11 PM »
Or getting jabbed by a spear or bleeding to death or exposure.
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Heade

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Re: Crucifixion
« Reply #16 on: October 23, 2018, 06:25:38 PM »
Or getting jabbed by a spear or bleeding to death or exposure.

People keep mentioning being jabbed by a spear. Most people who were crucified were not stabbed in such a way. Being stabbed by a spear, while crucified, is a mercy. It is a way to speed your end so that you don't suffer. And the entire point of crucifiction is to cause suffering. If you stabbed the crucified, you could likely expect to be punished.

Think about it. Anyone who has worked with wood IRL with hand tools would know how much work would go into building and erecting a cross to support someone's weight for crucifiction. If you spent a bunch of manpower doing that, only to have someone stabbed to death, why not just tie them up and stab them to begin with? Save yourself a day's worth of lumber work.
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MeTekillot

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Re: Crucifixion
« Reply #17 on: October 23, 2018, 06:28:42 PM »
If the Lord Templar says "Stand guard until he dies" and you get bored a few hours into it you can take the rest of the night off if you give him a little jab when nobody cares to care.
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Cabooze

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Re: Crucifixion
« Reply #18 on: October 23, 2018, 06:29:00 PM »
big ol' obsidian crosses. Couple of holes on either arm of the cross and the lower body of it, to impale someone's limbs with bone or obsidian, to hold them up in place. Blood-stained and sooty from recent or distant fires. If a punishment for a PC, code it up like a cage room where it displays your Sdesc on the cross, but you cannot leave the cross unless someone lets you down from it.

Designed so you either die from incremental damage from being on the cross (if staff wants to give you some bleed code), or from sheer dehydration/starvation. Dehydration on the cross could be upped akin to being in the saltflats, because you're pinned to a big black cross-shaped slab- that shit gets hot in the sun.

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Re: Crucifixion
« Reply #19 on: October 23, 2018, 06:44:55 PM »
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Make PCs who want to make this a thing.  Make it a thing!
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Re: Crucifixion
« Reply #20 on: October 23, 2018, 07:46:22 PM »
Yeah...no thanks.

I realize I’m probably in the minority here, and that strictly speaking there’s nothing sacrosanct about a particular method of torturing people (not least because it’s torture, and also because the Romans did it to loads of people), but being in a scene with PCs yelling “Crucify him!” as someone is flogged and led away is still going to feel like sacrilege to me, the player.

Kill people by the same mechanism, but call it something uniquely Zalanthan, on a shape other than a cross (like how the Cuddler is essentially just a medieval Rack), and I’d be fine.  (Though I’d still hate to be the player trying to stay engaged as my PC dies a powerless, agonizingly slow death, FWIW.)
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razorback

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Re: Crucifixion
« Reply #21 on: October 23, 2018, 07:50:45 PM »
You could call it T-posing...

But seriously, although this would be very Allanak to do, I think it would have to be relegated to NPCs who wouldn't mind the wait time. The pit, and the Cuddler, do enough of the 'torture' without instant death, but not having to wait on a slow death either.
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Re: Crucifixion
« Reply #22 on: October 23, 2018, 09:02:44 PM »
It'd be cool if there were pillories.  It would nice to be able to get caught stealing and not have to idle alone in the dark or be outright killed.
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Re: Crucifixion
« Reply #23 on: October 23, 2018, 09:06:40 PM »
It'd be cool if there were pillories.  It would nice to be able to get caught stealing and not have to idle alone in the dark or be outright killed.
Now this I could see, it would be an alternative to waiting in the cells and hoping a ranked soldier or Templar would come entertain/kill you. Maybe something more like a birdcage hanging over the intersection of Commoner's and Caravan. You get put in there and people can walk by and laugh/poke/prod/throw rotten fruit at you.
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Re: Crucifixion
« Reply #24 on: October 24, 2018, 12:28:04 AM »
I like the idea of public displays for thieves rather than boring jail cell. Cruxifiction seems okay, but I would get bored soon enough unless there was a way to be rescued, so would want a quit die option, for sure.
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