Author Topic: Climbing to Drov and back.  (Read 363 times)

Doublepalli

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Climbing to Drov and back.
« on: April 15, 2018, 04:58:12 AM »
So with master climb and climbing gear unemcubered, I have witnessed three fails to catch your falls back to back.

Is climb code broken? Maybe a revamp? Thoughts?

LucildaHunta

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Re: Climbing to Drov and back.
« Reply #1 on: April 15, 2018, 09:42:55 AM »
It doesn't seem broken to me, it just seems like at Master you see the full benefit of the climb skill. From what I've seen from any of the subs with climb you just don't get anywhere close to that benefit which with a skill like climb can often lead to your character's death or at the very least a very bad fall. So it's not that it's broken it's just that the gulf between a certain guild vs. the subguilds is just too wide. So for me, it's working as intended, just the subs aren't good enough to match or even get close to that guild, even on subs that you would think would be better at climbing than they actually are.
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nauta

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Re: Climbing to Drov and back.
« Reply #2 on: April 15, 2018, 09:53:58 AM »
My evidence is based on (obviously) my limited experience, but I would agree with OP: the scramble for purchase code (when you press 'up' to catch your fall) doesn't seem to work as often as I'd expect granted a skill level.
as IF you didn't just have them unconscious, naked, and helpless in the street 4 minutes ago

LucildaHunta

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Re: Climbing to Drov and back.
« Reply #3 on: April 15, 2018, 10:23:00 AM »
Oh the scramble thing? If I'm falling, I usually don't even attempt it because the negatives outweigh the benefits. You lose a ridiculous amount of HP and stun when you attempt it which could actually end up the cause of your death just for attempting it. You lose a little too much of both in the attempt. So a straight fall at full health might result in a 90-99% loss of health plus a knockout in the best case scenario. A fall plus a failed scramble....you're probably in the negative. A fall plus two scrambles....you dead. We're talking a three or more room fall here.

I'm not a numbers person so I'm not going to throw out any hard numbers here because there's too many race and stat variables here. I'm just speaking as a player that has had her fair share of falls and enough deaths from falls to speak on it.

So yeah, climbing has always been a risky proposition and understandably so. I do think the scramble thing is worth taking a look at.
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nauta

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Re: Climbing to Drov and back.
« Reply #4 on: April 15, 2018, 10:32:33 AM »
With scramble, what I'd like to see (and if this is in place, then wooyeah!):

1. The chance of catching your fall (by hitting 'up') be the same chance of climbing in the first place, or at the very least keyed to your skill level: easier if you are master, and harder if you are novice, and hardest still if you don't even have the skill.

2. The damage that you take if you fail scrambling for purchase be a function of your skill level: you take the least amount of damage if you are master, more if you are novice, and the most if you don't even have the skill.

as IF you didn't just have them unconscious, naked, and helpless in the street 4 minutes ago

Eyeball

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Re: Climbing to Drov and back.
« Reply #5 on: April 15, 2018, 10:45:22 AM »
1. The chance of catching your fall (by hitting 'up') be the same chance of climbing in the first place, or at the very least keyed to your skill level: easier if you are master, and harder if you are novice, and hardest still if you don't even have the skill.

Realistically though, how many climbers have you heard of catching themselves once they've fallen any significant distance down a cliff face. By that point, they've built up a lot of kinetic energy and it's really hard nigh impossible to stop oneself.

If they're sliding along a steep slope, maybe.

Using a rope should greatly increase success when climbing, regardless of falling or not, to the point where even someone with mediocre climbing skill should show success most of the time. But the game needs to accommodate this somehow, such as by allowing one to tie a rope to oneself and an anchor point. Difficult to do with the room-based code, I expect. A multi-room rope ladder was made at one point, but it requires the staff to actually modify rooms to simulate it working. Maybe the bonus for holding a rope should be a lot bigger.
« Last Edit: April 15, 2018, 10:47:36 AM by Eyeball »

BrainySmurf

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Re: Climbing to Drov and back.
« Reply #6 on: April 27, 2018, 02:06:51 AM »
Reviving a dead thread.

In my experience, scrambling is not tied to the climb skill in any way shape or form. Scrambling is a strength based check. It has little or nothing to do with climb. If you are a super agile climby person you're less likely to fail, but if you're not super buff, y'ain't going to succeed a scramble even with your master skill.

I have not succeeded on scrambling on a character with low strength before, regardless of their climb skill. My clunky human warrior decked in plate with no climb skill but exceptional human strength never failed a scramble, once.

Harmless

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Re: Climbing to Drov and back.
« Reply #7 on: June 09, 2018, 11:11:08 AM »
That explains a lot of my own experiences with falls and scrambling. Also that doesnt really make that much sense. Maybe scrambles should benefit from (specific?) Climbing equipment more and maybe climb skill should factor into it. Knowing the strategy will help some climbing PCs stay alive but I don't think I like this system that much as is. I would think the most important factor in scrambling is rope or a sturdy claw like device. I also think successful scrambling should injure you also -- you just stopped a dead drop or tumble with a braking force of some kind. Maybe failed scrambles should do much less damage -- your rope didn't catch a jutting ledge or brick, or your hand grazed the wall or whatever -- 5-10 hp lost and maybe trivial stun. But when you succeed in braking the fall after going a few rooms down? Sure, your rope/arm caught the ledge but your arm dislocated in the act.
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