Author Topic: House Kurac and House Kadius Role Application Discussion  (Read 374 times)

Strongheart

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House Kurac and House Kadius Role Application Discussion
« on: October 21, 2017, 12:48:01 PM »
I think it's great that these two Merchant Houses are getting a role call! I would also like to mention that perhaps hiring internally would be more interesting and beneficial? There are members in the clans that would be worth a mention in terms of promotion, as I have seen a few canidates fit for the role or have outright earned a higher position IG. Does anyone else have any thoughts on this topic? This goes out to all the clans in general when it comes to internal employment.
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Sedora

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Re: House Kurac and House Kadius Role Application Discussion
« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2017, 01:01:25 PM »
There isn't a higher position IG within a merchant house than a blooded family member rolls out into, unless there's already a blooded family member in place who has been around moving and shaking long enough to have gotten promoted past that. In my experience, GMH family adoptions require a certain amount of displayed drive and presence as well, maybe those aren't there for your candidates. I'm sure staff did consider existing members before posting up the rolecall, and decided they wanted someone rolling in with the specific intention of fulfilling the requirements of a leader rolecall. Characters hired in and promoted up in clans don't always have the same goals in mind as someone who apps in specifically for a role.

Molten Heart

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Re: House Kurac and House Kadius Role Application Discussion
« Reply #2 on: October 21, 2017, 01:08:35 PM »
I agree with Strongheart. There's something to be said for hiring and promoting internally.

A few times when I've been in a clan and new leaders have appeared, it was a little unseemly and unnatural. New people would show up and take the reins of the clan and things would shift, not always in a good manner. Sometimes this would really shake things up and make me think "this isn't the clan that I joined", not always, but sometimes it was a change for the good.

New "leaders" aren't always what they're cracked up to be. Sometimes they are a dude and just don't work out for whatever reason, they fail to establish themselves or even get into the role. Existing clan members have already overcome this challenge of establishing themselves in the game world, and their fellow clan members. Being already established, they can do things new characters may be unable to do. Their log in times and habits are already known. They also have more experience with recent events and politics than new leaders (or even newly arriving staff) may have.

Hiring new people isn't all bad though. New people come without baggage and if it's the staff's intent to create big change, keeping the old guard around is more of a challenge to be dealt with, than an advantage. So there is that.

When possible, and where advantageous, I think it's generally a good idea to promote from within the existing ranks of a clan.

Molten Heart

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Re: House Kurac and House Kadius Role Application Discussion
« Reply #3 on: October 21, 2017, 01:14:38 PM »
There isn't a higher position IG within a merchant house than a blooded family member rolls out into, unless there's already a blooded family member in place who has been around moving and shaking long enough to have gotten promoted past that. In my experience, GMH family adoptions require a certain amount of displayed drive and presence as well, maybe those aren't there for your candidates. I'm sure staff did consider existing members before posting up the rolecall, and decided they wanted someone rolling in with the specific intention of fulfilling the requirements of a leader rolecall. Characters hired in and promoted up in clans don't always have the same goals in mind as someone who apps in specifically for a role.

Is being a blooded family member required for a middle management style PC clan leader?

evilcabbage

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Re: House Kurac and House Kadius Role Application Discussion
« Reply #4 on: October 21, 2017, 01:15:42 PM »
at a certain rank in the clan, you have to be blooded family.
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Molten Heart

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Re: House Kurac and House Kadius Role Application Discussion
« Reply #5 on: October 21, 2017, 01:19:46 PM »
at a certain rank in the clan, you have to be blooded family.

While this is certainly true, I don't think this is the type of role being discussed.

Sedora

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Re: House Kurac and House Kadius Role Application Discussion
« Reply #6 on: October 21, 2017, 01:21:48 PM »
Is being a blooded family member required for a middle management style PC clan leader?

As evilcabbage said, past a point you have to either be adopted, or roll in as blooded family to get a rank. A middle management style PC clan leader isn't someone who'd app in on a family rolecall anyway, I think? Maybe I'm wrong, there. I may be a bit behind on the IC of it as well but I also thought the existing GMHs already had people in those positions, and assumed that the rolecall was either to spread out leadership and ease workload on existing leaders, distribute workload, or have more 'blooded family' presence for the parts of the culture that lean on those parts of a clan.

ShaLeah

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Re: House Kurac and House Kadius Role Application Discussion
« Reply #7 on: October 21, 2017, 01:29:50 PM »
The GMHs already DO hire and promote from within but there's NOTHING like family. Would you all say the same thing about a NOBLE role call? No. You wouldn't.   

Think of GMHs as mini noble houses/mafia. They're rich as fuck, the richest, they've sucked up to the powers that be for generations. EARNING YOUR WAY INTO THE FAMILY is possible but it's going to take a loooonnnnnnnnnng time and most won't make it, you know why?  Cause MOST people are self serving. They're not worried about <insert GMH name here>, they care what for their own agenda/wealth/vendetta/life.  Non-blood can earn the right to be considered family but there's not going to be anyone quite like a blooded family to increase your power and further your agenda, to always always have your House's interests as their own. They'll marry for you, they'll breed for you, they'll murder for you and they will spend all their sid, YOUR sid, making sure your monopoly stays on top.

You also have to remember that there's only so high a PC can get to IG and while that basically gives that person HBIC status over every PC under them there is always someone higher.
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Re: House Kurac and House Kadius Role Application Discussion
« Reply #8 on: October 21, 2017, 01:31:58 PM »
the lowest i know of gmh family members apping in is crew leader/overseer/merchant level.

that's where they start. tell me how many people you know of in your respective clans who have earned that kind of rank, ever.

i think the highest a non-blood pc can get without being adopted is actually those ranks, past that you -have- to be adopted. i could be wrong, though.
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ShaLeah

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Re: House Kurac and House Kadius Role Application Discussion
« Reply #9 on: October 21, 2017, 01:50:54 PM »
the lowest i know of gmh family members apping in is crew leader/overseer/merchant level.

that's where they start. tell me how many people you know of in your respective clans who have earned that kind of rank, ever.

i think the highest a non-blood pc can get without being adopted is actually those ranks, past that you -have- to be adopted. i could be wrong, though.

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I'm totally gaga over sponsored roles. So sad I can't app these.  :'(

I love new sponsored roles to suck up to. Heart them like no other. They're the real movers and shakers of the game.
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Re: House Kurac and House Kadius Role Application Discussion
« Reply #10 on: October 21, 2017, 01:56:40 PM »
cabbages do the most moving and shaking, you know.

but gmh roles are pretty okay at it too.
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Re: House Kurac and House Kadius Role Application Discussion
« Reply #11 on: October 21, 2017, 05:13:21 PM »
Just a PSA to those preexisting characters wondering why they're getting a new boss parachuted in: new characters have awful defense and offense stats.

Some of the new-leader PCs I've seen over the years have made me seriously want to just murder them and see if anyone objects to my PC wearing their ring.
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BadSkeelz

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Re: House Kurac and House Kadius Role Application Discussion
« Reply #12 on: October 21, 2017, 05:16:41 PM »
Sic semper specapps

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Fredd

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Re: House Kurac and House Kadius Role Application Discussion
« Reply #13 on: October 21, 2017, 05:41:37 PM »
Could be a number of reasons for the rolecall. Maybe the people they felt best to take over the spot, refused the promotion.
Not everyone wants people begging for there attention every moment they are logged on.

I have watched staff promote people from within, where it is applicable. So if they are calling for one, they got a reason. It's MUCH easier to promote someone that's been in for years by the promote command, and handing them a key, then it is to indoctrinate a new person.
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Re: House Kurac and House Kadius Role Application Discussion
« Reply #14 on: October 21, 2017, 05:49:57 PM »
Also to consider:

When you promote to a "high-as-far-as-PLAYABLE characters are concerned" level, you are reducing the underling pool. It also means that underling pool is likely now missing their own underling leader, and someone within that pool needs to be promoted. What happens if they're all recruits and you JUST elevated the only close-quarter leader they had, to "ain't the boss of you no more I have nobles and templars to suck up to now" status?

In addition, I love sponsored roles. Even the shit roles, even the roles played by crappy twink non-roleplayers. It gives more dimension to the clan. Get stuck with an idiot? Great! Plot to have him removed/killed. Or become his underling and manipulate him until he's actually useful.

Meanwhile, earn your spot, if you want it that badly and don't want to special app it. Think of all of the PCs who started in the lower ranks and actually made it to wear a signet ring. Think of how long they were in the clan before they got to that point. Think of all the things they accomplished, if you remember them fondly. Think of all the things they fucked up on, if you don't remember them fondly. Now compare with what you can bring to the table, right this minute, with your current character in that clan. I'm guessing your character doesn't have what it takes. Yet. Potential, sure. So earn it. And then eliminate the competition without getting caught, and take their place.
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chrisdcoulombe

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Re: House Kurac and House Kadius Role Application Discussion
« Reply #15 on: October 21, 2017, 07:51:19 PM »
Both are viable options, nothing wrong with role apping in or being moved up internally.  If you aren't in those clans than you can't really say if there is anyone that could be moved up like that. Nor do you know if the alleged person wants to be moved up.  If you are in those clans and you do know.  You shouldn't really say it on the GDB.

I do like Lizzie's take on it though, if the new leader is shit, (the character, not the player) than certainly murder and betray the bad leader away.  You could get someone that really clicks with the clan too and it could drive plot.

Its just speculation either way.  One could be better, the other could be better.  Both could be equally good or bad.

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Re: House Kurac and House Kadius Role Application Discussion
« Reply #16 on: October 21, 2017, 08:04:54 PM »
Random but I still want to know the story of that brand new app'ed Salari blood PC who decided 5 minutes within entering the game that they should all go bahamet hunting and then died from it shortly after.
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Re: House Kurac and House Kadius Role Application Discussion
« Reply #17 on: October 21, 2017, 08:32:50 PM »

Just a reminder that it is in no way appropriate to post anything vaguely IC on the GDB.

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Doublepalli

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Re: House Kurac and House Kadius Role Application Discussion
« Reply #18 on: October 21, 2017, 08:45:04 PM »
Woops. I didn't point out anyone though.  ;)

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Re: House Kurac and House Kadius Role Application Discussion
« Reply #19 on: October 21, 2017, 09:31:59 PM »
Just a sidenote: If you intend to get promoted to a position of leadership through IC means, it is 100% more likely to happen if Staff know you are actually trying to get that role. That means putting in character reports and OOC letting us know you're interested in the position of leadership and the burdens (weekly reports) that comes with it. Also, letting us know what you're doing to distinguish yourself from the hundred other Amos and Talia out there that are also working for House Kohmar on an IC level will boost your results as well.

Personally speaking, if someone doesn't come to me in a report and directly state they want to be a leader, I will not use the hand of a superior NPC to promote them. Not all players like being thrust into leadership roles, and not all players have the time to do so.