Author Topic: Communism for Kids  (Read 8464 times)

Melkor

  • Posts: 859
Re: Communism for Kids
« Reply #150 on: April 19, 2017, 10:39:23 PM »
Melkor is a pretty good case for the need to teach critical thinking skills to kids while they're young, before the stupid solidifies.

Hurrr i dont like what he says so hes stupid hurrrr.
All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost;
The old that is strong does not wither,
Deep roots are not reached by the frost.

BadSkeelz

  • Posts: 8257
Re: Communism for Kids
« Reply #151 on: April 20, 2017, 04:13:36 AM »
Hate to break it to you Melkor but the Communists have been brainwashing our kids through the much more effective medium of television for years

Quote from: janeshephard
You really think BadSkeelz understands the concept of Wine In Front of me? This guy shot me as a townie when he felt threatened. The man's a neandrathal.

Persona for GDB use only. Results in game may vary.

Lutagar

  • Posts: 263
Re: Communism for Kids
« Reply #152 on: April 20, 2017, 04:21:08 AM »

Rathustra

  • Administrator
  • Posts: 1073
Re: Communism for Kids
« Reply #153 on: April 20, 2017, 06:35:10 AM »
Hate to break it to you Melkor but the Communists have been brainwashing our kids through the much more effective medium of television for years



Confirmed

Melkor

  • Posts: 859
Re: Communism for Kids
« Reply #154 on: April 20, 2017, 09:22:33 AM »
Lmao.

I pose a question to all of you parents out there. What is your policy with media and your children? I know several families who limit screen-time their children have to 1-2 hours per day until they are in their teens. I also know families who dont give a fuck and let their toddlers play on cell-phones and tablets all day. I can think of pros and cons for both. Just curious about people in this community's stances.
All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost;
The old that is strong does not wither,
Deep roots are not reached by the frost.

nauta

  • Posts: 2206
Re: Communism for Kids
« Reply #155 on: April 20, 2017, 09:44:18 AM »
Lmao.

I pose a question to all of you parents out there. What is your policy with media and your children? I know several families who limit screen-time their children have to 1-2 hours per day until they are in their teens. I also know families who dont give a fuck and let their toddlers play on cell-phones and tablets all day. I can think of pros and cons for both. Just curious about people in this community's stances.

I just point them to index librorum prohibitorum.
as IF you didn't just have them unconscious, naked, and helpless in the street 4 minutes ago

Dan

  • Posts: 2332
Re: Communism for Kids
« Reply #156 on: April 20, 2017, 10:01:25 AM »
Lmao.

I pose a question to all of you parents out there. What is your policy with media and your children? I know several families who limit screen-time their children have to 1-2 hours per day until they are in their teens. I also know families who dont give a fuck and let their toddlers play on cell-phones and tablets all day. I can think of pros and cons for both. Just curious about people in this community's stances.

Our toddler loves to watch Micky Mouse Clubhouse in the car.  Otherwise, the TV is on educational children's TV during breakfast while she eats in her highchair so mom can get ready for the day.  Sometimes she will sit on my lap and we'll go over alphabet, colors and shapes with Youtube videos for about an hour when I get home from work so my wife can make dinner.
It matters not how strait the gate,
How charged with punishments the scroll,
I am the master of my fate:
I am the captain of my soul.

Refugee

  • Posts: 1579
Re: Communism for Kids
« Reply #157 on: April 20, 2017, 12:21:39 PM »
When I was raising my daughter, once schoolwork was done, she had free use of the PC and the VCR.  I hope never to hear another singing princess as long as I live, lol.  But she also played Star Wars and Star Trek tapes over and over, so it worked out ok. 

Actual television was something we were very strict with.  But she rarely chose to watch it anyway when she was small, she had every Disney movie and lots of other tapes she liked.  She liked a PBS show named Wishbone an awful lot, I remember that.

She didn't have access to the internet unsupervised until she was in 7th grade.  Even then she was informed that at any time I could and would check out what she had been looking at.  By then she was so busy with her job and her karate and everything else she got into that it just never was a problem. 

I would not let her MUD though.  Even in high school.

Riev

  • Posts: 4793
Re: Communism for Kids
« Reply #158 on: April 20, 2017, 12:56:57 PM »
Kids that CAN watch 2 or more hours of TV in a night clearly need more to do. Granted, if you're in the car or something, there is a certain expectation of entertainment, and I indulge in MORE than enough screen time myself, but the kids should be engaged in something otherwise. (If it can be afforded, I find that often times when afterschool activities aren't available or feasible with parental work schedules, screen time goes up)
Masks are the Armageddon equivalent of Ed Hardy shirts.

Melkor

  • Posts: 859
Re: Communism for Kids
« Reply #159 on: April 20, 2017, 01:21:52 PM »
Very reasonable parenting policies. Keep em coming!

I ask, because most of my childhood was spent reading, playing in the woods, or playing Legend of Zelda. I learned how to read while simultaneously playing LoZ, so that was pretty awesome.
I see a lot of children nowadays, and I pray I can make children that are not like them. Among other things, I hope limiting screen-time, and encouraging reading can help with this endeavor.
All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost;
The old that is strong does not wither,
Deep roots are not reached by the frost.

BadSkeelz

  • Posts: 8257
Re: Communism for Kids
« Reply #160 on: April 20, 2017, 03:55:49 PM »
I'm pretty sure I only really learned how to tell time because I didn't want to miss Robotech.

I can't say I'm comfortable with the idea of young kids on tablets or watching television. They need socialization and interaction from other people and I don't think electronics are a worthy substitute. Especially because I spend so much time on them myself.

I also think kids are basically dogs until 2-3 years of age.
Quote from: janeshephard
You really think BadSkeelz understands the concept of Wine In Front of me? This guy shot me as a townie when he felt threatened. The man's a neandrathal.

Persona for GDB use only. Results in game may vary.

Melkor

  • Posts: 859
Re: Communism for Kids
« Reply #161 on: April 20, 2017, 05:05:50 PM »
An old friend of mind had a 2 year old baby brother who could have full-blown conversations with you. It was almost creepy how well he could speak and articulate thoughts, daresay better than some I have encountered in this thread! *harharhar*

But seriously, a 2 year old who could have in-depth conversations with me about anything.. If it was something he did not understand, he would ask, comprehend, and continue.
Their family was SUUUUUPER ginger, and suuuuuper Christian. No TV at all, except for a movie the whole family would watch on weekends.
All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost;
The old that is strong does not wither,
Deep roots are not reached by the frost.

Yam

  • Posts: 7580
Re: Communism for Kids
« Reply #162 on: April 20, 2017, 05:12:20 PM »
But seriously, a 2 year old who could have in-depth conversations with me about anything..

Go figure.

Melkor

  • Posts: 859
Re: Communism for Kids
« Reply #163 on: April 20, 2017, 05:21:56 PM »
Hey man, put some of that effort into the conversation we are having in which you afford no facts, sources, or reasoning in your argument.
All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost;
The old that is strong does not wither,
Deep roots are not reached by the frost.

Yam

  • Posts: 7580
Re: Communism for Kids
« Reply #164 on: April 20, 2017, 05:42:10 PM »
No. You literally do not understand the concept of burden of proof.

BadSkeelz

  • Posts: 8257
Re: Communism for Kids
« Reply #165 on: April 20, 2017, 05:47:28 PM »
No. You literally do not understand the concept of burden of proof.


?
Quote from: janeshephard
You really think BadSkeelz understands the concept of Wine In Front of me? This guy shot me as a townie when he felt threatened. The man's a neandrathal.

Persona for GDB use only. Results in game may vary.

manipura

  • Posts: 1499
Re: Communism for Kids
« Reply #166 on: April 20, 2017, 05:54:42 PM »
Two year olds are absolutely capable of having conversations.  Young children aren't just dumb lumps of tissue and cells who don't understand things.  It's always irritated me when people think that about children.
Anyhow, don't let me distract from the conversation at hand...communism or...whatever you all are going on about.  ;)

BadSkeelz

  • Posts: 8257
Re: Communism for Kids
« Reply #167 on: April 20, 2017, 05:58:45 PM »
For the record I've had plenty of conversations with dogs too.
Quote from: janeshephard
You really think BadSkeelz understands the concept of Wine In Front of me? This guy shot me as a townie when he felt threatened. The man's a neandrathal.

Persona for GDB use only. Results in game may vary.

Melkor

  • Posts: 859
Re: Communism for Kids
« Reply #168 on: April 20, 2017, 08:07:00 PM »
No. You literally do not understand the concept of burden of proof.

Quote from: Yam
Most things. You tend to knee jerk to a position that fits your viewpoint regardless of available information. For instance, the premise of your communism for kids thread is that the book "Communism for Kids" is communist propaganda in the style of Soviet propaganda and that it rivals what the Soviet Union was able to push, which are both simply incorrect. It's actually kind of brilliant in how wrong the premise is because it makes it hard to argue against. It's Alex Jonesian.

Quote
the premise of your communism for kids thread is that the book "Communism for Kids" is communist propaganda in the style of Soviet propaganda and that it rivals what the Soviet Union was able to push, which are both simply incorrect.

Okay. Now back up your claims with facts.

By the way, saying "Alex Jones" is not a valid argument. I don't listen to him.

You made the first unsubstantiated claims. You need to provide evidence for those claims before you can demand facts from any counterargument. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophical_burden_of_proof

I said that you're like Alex Jones because you take a baseless position which you then demand other people prove wrong. You and Alex Jones have the same argument tactics, not the same viewpoints. You don't need to listen to him to behave like him.

Okay. My OP claim was that the Soviets would have loved to publish this type of pro-communist propaganda in the US during the Cold war.

I spent the last 30 minutes looking, and I cannot find anything near equivalent to it, published within the united states, during the cold war.

. . . . Maybe I am not searching for the right terms. Maybe I am not looking hard enough. I do not know. Maybe you could help me mend this shortcoming in my research, if there is one?

I'd start with looking up the author of the book, what her views and political affiliations are, and whether or not they even fit with Soviet politics. From what I found they do not at all match with Soviet or even Marxist ideals. She'd fit in more at a 60's hippy commune and probably be executed in the Soviet Union while Stalin was still in charge. In that sense her book is about as close to Soviet propaganda as it is to Sesame Street.

If you want to look at actual Soviet propaganda in the US look at the 1920s and 30s and/or the actual US communist party: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_USA


Dude, read some of her articles. She is a straight Communist. She is anti western culture. She was born eastern-bloc Berlin. She praises the Arab Spring as a positive step towards communism realized and the end of history. This is not a flower-child. You saying she is is a lie.

I am still not finding any pro-communist propaganda published in the US disseminated to more than a few thousand people, man.

http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/17485-the-end-of-the-end-of-history-and-why-the-era-of-revolutions-is-upon-us
https://thenewinquiry.com/advance-fragments-communism-for-children/

This one isnt communism related, but she basically says that "Circlusion," or something encircling something else, like "a vagina around a dildo" is more powerful than penetration.
Lol feminist drivel.
http://www.maskmagazine.com/the-mommy-issue/sex/circlusion

I found her facebook, but I dont have social media, so I can't look into it.


The Hippie movement in large part pushed communist politics/economics and anti-western culture. She isn't saying anything new or exclusively "Communist" with a capital C, whatever you mean by that.

Melkor, I get that you're trying, but it just isn't enough and I'm not willing to be your sensei.

-____- Now I am convinced that you are just trolling.

if you showed me a SHRED of evidence that there was stronger communist propaganda published in the united states during the cold war, I would post on that thread that you proved my OP wrong.

If you showed me a SHRED of evidence that Bini Adamczak was not a blatant communist, I would give you that.

I am not looking for a sensei, I am looking for a rational human being with which to have a rational conversation. I sent you links to Adamczak's publications. So that wrecked your "Dude shes not even a communist" narrative.

I told you I cant seem to find any evidence against my original claims, despite you sending me that incredible wiki-source with almost no mention of propaganda efforts within the US.

It really looks like you just came to troll, and are now bailing before your seat gets too hot.

Please prove any of this wrong, if you are remotely able to.

I'm both trolling you and exasperated with your inability to understand what I'm saying or argue in a rational manner. You say you're looking for a rational human being, but I don't think you have the mental capacity to recognize one and are in fact just looking for people who will agree with and validate you.

My narrative was never "dude she's not even a communist" it was "dude her line of communism isn't anything like the Soviet's".

Your inability to find evidence against your claims is not the same thing as finding evidence for them. You're making a logical fallacy called an argument from ignorance. My seat isn't hot. I'm not even in the seat - you are and you don't even know how to work the seatbelt.

There's just some fundamental disconnect between what you think a rational, logical argument is and what it's actually defined as.

"Her line of communism..."

You honestly think the cold-war-era Soviets would not be happy about her book being published?

I get it, you are good at making insulting metaphors, but that is just a masturbatory effort on your part.


Yes they'd probably put her in gulag since the "Communism for Kids" book heavily criticizes them and they tended to murder/imprison their political critics.

Only because she has the chronological knowledge to know that they DID fail, yet she still defends marxist policies and ideologies. With the historical knowledge we have today, a pro-marxist is FORCED to condemn the USSR, because they have to say "But that was the bad way to do it, not MY way."

What is your point?

I was just outside, carving a bow, and I realized I phrased the question poorly in my haste.

Do you think cold-war-era Soviets would not be thrilled that a pro-communist piece of literature, directed at children, was published within the USA?

The distinction is important, because being pro-soviet union is damaging to the marxist cause in the 21st century.

Communism for Kids isn't really directed toward children. It's written at the same level as Animal Farm. Probably a little higher. You can preview part of it on Amazon. I guess you could probably read it to kids but I doubt they'd get anything out of it. Ferdinand is an actual children's book with some communist undertones that was probably far more effective as propaganda.

I'm not sure what cold war era Soviets would think. Probably a mix of things ranging from "great maybe this will bankrupt the US in a few generations so we can catch up" to "that book has communism all wrong and criticizes us - let's polonium her".


Ferdinand is close to a legitimate point, but it never overtly tries to encourage any ideology.

Your second paragraph ignored my question completely, so I will post it again. Please try to address it.

Do you think cold-war-era Soviets would not be thrilled that a pro-communist piece of literature, directed at children, was published within the USA?
All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost;
The old that is strong does not wither,
Deep roots are not reached by the frost.

Large Hero

  • Posts: 561
Re: Communism for Kids
« Reply #169 on: April 21, 2017, 12:29:13 AM »
Melkor, I'm curious. Did you read the 112 pages of Communism for Kids?
It is said that things coming in through the gate can never be your own treasures. What is gained from external circumstances will perish in the end.
- the Mumonkan

Melkor

  • Posts: 859
Re: Communism for Kids
« Reply #170 on: April 21, 2017, 01:41:14 AM »
Melkor, I'm curious. Did you read the 112 pages of Communism for Kids?

No I did not. I almost bought it off amazon, until I read the "look inside" preview feature Amazon offers, and found the reviews on it I read elsewhere seemed accurate. I decided it was not worth 10 bucks. Yes, this limits the amount of precise, detailed criticism I may offer against the book, but the theme, purpose, and premise of the book are widely known.
All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost;
The old that is strong does not wither,
Deep roots are not reached by the frost.

Large Hero

  • Posts: 561
Re: Communism for Kids
« Reply #171 on: April 21, 2017, 02:13:59 AM »
I try to avoid criticizing books I haven't read. I feel there is a high chance I will look foolish doing so.
It is said that things coming in through the gate can never be your own treasures. What is gained from external circumstances will perish in the end.
- the Mumonkan

John

  • Posts: 4036
Re: Communism for Kids
« Reply #172 on: April 21, 2017, 04:04:13 AM »
Think, for a moment, of the number of lives which have been snuffed out by nations with communist, socialist, and Marxist socioeconomic ideologies/policies.
Australia, Canada, Sweeden. These are all countries many americans would say have socialist ideologies/policies. Besides the aboriginals which Australia worked to systematically wipe out (how did Canada treat it's indigenous?) we haven't snuffed out that many lives compared to America. Furthermore, Australia was America's ally against those dictatorships that you allude to in your post. Note that communism and democracy are not opposed. Communism is opposed to capitalism and democracy is opposed to dictatorships.

Is there a book that you could possibly read to tell the difference?

Yes, it is just a book, and I am not one in favor of censorship of any kind. However, I am in favor of media, art, and ideas being judged and analyzed by the court of public opinion, and I will readily give my opinion regarding any piece of writing, art, film, or music, as it is my right to do so.
Go for it!
Quote from: RogueGunslinger
On Zalanthas most sweat would evaporate instantly and cool you easier, because there is no humidity. The extra air-flow of a kilt would also keep things dry.

Melkor

  • Posts: 859
Re: Communism for Kids
« Reply #173 on: April 21, 2017, 07:24:21 AM »
I try to avoid criticizing books I haven't read. I feel there is a high chance I will look foolish doing so.

I would tend to agree. I just couldnt bring myself to pay even 10 dollars for this book, even for the purpose of criticizing it.

Australia, Canada, Sweeden. These are all countries many americans would say have socialist ideologies/policies. Besides the aboriginals which Australia worked to systematically wipe out (how did Canada treat it's indigenous?) we haven't snuffed out that many lives compared to America. Furthermore, Australia was America's ally against those dictatorships that you allude to in your post. Note that communism and democracy are not opposed. Communism is opposed to capitalism and democracy is opposed to dictatorships.

Yes, you all do have some socialist policies, but you still have capitalist economies. I do believe these socialist policies will be to your great detriment.
First off, until very recently, Sweden was a homogeneous population, rather isolated in northern Europe. I guarantee you, that with the influx of new cultures into their population, their socialist policies go down the drain. Give it a year or two.
Now, as far as lives killed... I suppose not, but these nations are not pushing strict, staunch marxist policies across the board, which they would force their people to adhere to at the barrel of a firearm.


I dont remember comparing communism and democracy. Did I?

If I did, I would point out how many marxist dictatorships have existed, vs how many capitalist dictatorships have existed... <_<

<edited to add> It stands to mention, that with every push to the left, Australia and Canada both are losing their personal freedoms. Rights regarding free speech and bearing arms come to mind, first.

Quote
Is there a book that you could possibly read to tell the difference?
« Last Edit: April 21, 2017, 07:42:18 AM by Melkor »
All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost;
The old that is strong does not wither,
Deep roots are not reached by the frost.

Synthesis

  • Posts: 9429
Re: Communism for Kids
« Reply #174 on: April 21, 2017, 01:28:10 PM »
There is nothing inherently "socialist" about gun control.

Quote from: Karl Marx
To be able forcefully and threateningly to oppose this party, whose betrayal of the workers will begin with the very first hour of victory, the workers must be armed and organized. The whole proletariat must be armed at once with muskets, rifles, cannon and ammunition, and the revival of the old-style citizens’ militia, directed against the workers, must be opposed. Where the formation of this militia cannot be prevented, the workers must try to organize themselves independently as a proletarian guard

Quote from: Lenin
The minimum programme of the Social-Democrats calls for the replacement of the standing army by a universal arming of the people. Most of the official Social-Democrats in Europe and most of our own Menshevik leaders, however, have “forgotten” or put aside the Party’s programme, substituting chauvinism (“defencism”) for internationalism, reformism for revolutionary tactics.

Yet now of all times, at the present revolutionary moment, it is most urgent and essential that there be a universal arming of the people. To assert that, while we have a revolutionary army, there is no need to arm the proletariat, or that there would “not be enough” arms to go round, is mere deception and trickery. The thing is to begin organising a universal militia straight away, so that everyone should learn the use of arms even if there is “not enough” to go round, for it is not at all necessary that the people have enough weapons to arm everybody. The people must learn, one and all, how to use arms, they must belong, one and all, to the militia which is to replace the police and the standing army.

Quote from: Mao
Every Communist must grasp the truth: Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun.

The question is more pertinent to democratic vs. anti-democratic tendency.  However, in the modern era, even democratic tendency is leaning toward gun control, because the vast majority of people are so far removed from the utility of firearms that they can be made to believe that they aren't of much use to them personally, or that the risks of -other- people owning firearms is greater than the benefit to themselves.
Quote from: WarriorPoet
I play this game to pretend to chop muthafuckaz up with bone swords.
Quote from: Smuz
I come to the GDB to roleplay being deep and wise.
Quote from: Vanth
Synthesis, you scare me a little bit.