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Melkor

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Re: Communism for Kids
« Reply #175 on: April 21, 2017, 01:34:09 PM »
I agree that there is no socialist policy regarding an unarmed populace, however, does it not always turn out that way?

I think firearm prohibition is insane, because if the law forbids ownership of firearms, only criminals who disobey laws will have firearms...

I think this is one subject where you and I may have common ground, synth.
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« Reply #176 on: April 21, 2017, 01:54:41 PM »
Gun control has "turned out that way" for virtually every modern society, irrespective of the general theoretical political or economic framework it tends to operate within.  Eventually, the United States will get around to it.  Note that the fairly strict gun control regimes in CA and NY have not been ruled to be unconstitutional.  The 2nd Amendment has certainly stalled things quite a bit, but ultimately it will be rendered toothless.

The reason is pretty simple, politically.  A firearm gives you--personally, individually--power.  It can be the power to do good or to do evil, but ultimately the state apparatus wants that power.  And this, again, is irrespective of capitalism vs. socialism or democracy vs. authoritarianism.  Capitalists will do it to protect themselves from the masses.  Socialists will do it to protect the masses from each other.  Democracies will do it to protect themselves from each other.  Authoritarians will do it to protect themselves from the masses.

Using gun control as a plank in your anti-communist or pro-capitalist or anti-authoritarian platform is silly.
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Re: Communism for Kids
« Reply #177 on: April 21, 2017, 02:27:53 PM »
Read what I said, buddy.

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It stands to mention, that with every push to the left, Australia and Canada both are losing their personal freedoms. Rights regarding free speech and bearing arms come to mind, first.

That was the whole thought. You attributed it to anti-communist, pro-capitalist platforms.

However, it would absolutely be relevant to an anti-authoritarian platform.
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Re: Communism for Kids
« Reply #178 on: April 21, 2017, 02:35:04 PM »
You don't seem to understand how implication works.

"Push to the left" means "toward socialism."

Saying X happens with a push to the left, and x is bad, is an anti-socialist argument.

Your quoted sentence is, in fact, an anti-socialist sentiment, and it clearly is a plank in your overall anti-socialist argument.
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« Reply #179 on: April 21, 2017, 02:44:14 PM »
I see what you are saying. I was thinking more along the lines of  sociological leftism, which would denote socialist  policies, but not necessarily a socialist economy. This was where I misunderstood you. I was thinking you were speaking of socialist economics, exclusively.
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Re: Communism for Kids
« Reply #180 on: April 21, 2017, 02:56:40 PM »
I agree that there is no socialist policy regarding an unarmed populace, however, does it not always turn out that way?

I'd vote that a move towards an unarmed populace is more the hallmark of a dictatorship and despotism than indicative of an economic system.

Do dictators almost without exception move towards governmental control of resources?  Certainly.
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« Reply #181 on: April 21, 2017, 04:52:46 PM »
<edited to add> It stands to mention, that with every push to the left, Australia and Canada both are losing their personal freedoms. Rights regarding free speech and bearing arms come to mind, first.

Jim Jeffries has a pretty funny (and very very NSFW) take on freedom in Australia and Canada versus the US.

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Re: Communism for Kids
« Reply #182 on: April 21, 2017, 06:24:17 PM »
I'd like to propose a corollary to the "Governments trying to take your rights and guns (but especially guns) are on a dictatorial path" argument:

If you declare something while holding a gun in front of a flag, you're probably kind of nuts. Case in point: ISIS, Al-Qaeda, Sheri Few
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Re: Communism for Kids
« Reply #183 on: April 21, 2017, 07:09:01 PM »
Funny video. I am in agreement with the comedian on everything. It should be mentioned, though, that Canada and Straya are steadily losing their freedom of speech in recent years, which is a shame. The US does need to stop imprisoning drug users, for sure, legalize and regulate cannabis and prostitution, etc.

I'd like to propose a corollary to the "Governments trying to take your rights and guns (but especially guns) are on a dictatorial path" argument:

If you declare something while holding a gun in front of a flag, you're probably kind of nuts. Case in point: ISIS, Al-Qaeda, Sheri Few

Lol yeah, Sheri Few is nuts, but I think it is unfair to list her as a third example of wackos after ISIS and Al-Qaeda, yeah?
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Re: Communism for Kids
« Reply #184 on: April 21, 2017, 07:12:08 PM »
I didn't give her a gun and a flag to stand in front of.
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Re: Communism for Kids
« Reply #185 on: April 21, 2017, 07:16:20 PM »
Being a little nuts, posing in front of a flag with a rifle to pander to 'Mericans doesnt equate to fighting to exterminate millions of people.


So, it seems right-wing news outlets are reporting that Maduro is arming loyalist citizens with rifles, so in his unarmed populace, the only people with firearms are those which support his regime. Waiting for other news outlets to corroborate this info before taking it as fact.
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« Reply #186 on: April 21, 2017, 08:48:04 PM »
I'd like to propose a corollary to the "Governments trying to take your rights and guns (but especially guns) are on a dictatorial path" argument:

If you declare something while holding a gun in front of a flag, you're probably kind of nuts. Case in point: ISIS, Al-Qaeda, Sheri Few

You better not be talking shit about George C. Scott

BadSkeelz

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Re: Communism for Kids
« Reply #187 on: April 21, 2017, 08:49:58 PM »
I don't think you can argue that Patton (either the person or the character Mr. Scott was portraying) wasn't "kind of nuts."

Also I find ISIS policy platform a lot more coherent within its own philosophical framework than the GOP's, so I don't mind including Sheri and ISIS (and Paton) in the same set.
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Re: Communism for Kids
« Reply #188 on: April 22, 2017, 04:13:27 AM »
I was asked by Jingo to post this in the "most relevant thread" and this seems to be the place

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Re: Communism for Kids
« Reply #189 on: April 22, 2017, 08:53:28 AM »
The true irony is that the train goes in circles, forever.
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Re: Communism for Kids
« Reply #190 on: Today at 09:30:51 AM »
I try to avoid criticizing books I haven't read. I feel there is a high chance I will look foolish doing so.

I would tend to agree. I just couldnt bring myself to pay even 10 dollars for this book, even for the purpose of criticizing it.

Australia, Canada, Sweeden. These are all countries many americans would say have socialist ideologies/policies. Besides the aboriginals which Australia worked to systematically wipe out (how did Canada treat it's indigenous?) we haven't snuffed out that many lives compared to America. Furthermore, Australia was America's ally against those dictatorships that you allude to in your post. Note that communism and democracy are not opposed. Communism is opposed to capitalism and democracy is opposed to dictatorships.

Yes, you all do have some socialist policies, but you still have capitalist economies. I do believe these socialist policies will be to your great detriment.
First off, until very recently, Sweden was a homogeneous population, rather isolated in northern Europe. I guarantee you, that with the influx of new cultures into their population, their socialist policies go down the drain. Give it a year or two.
Now, as far as lives killed... I suppose not, but these nations are not pushing strict, staunch marxist policies across the board, which they would force their people to adhere to at the barrel of a firearm.


I dont remember comparing communism and democracy. Did I?

If I did, I would point out how many marxist dictatorships have existed, vs how many capitalist dictatorships have existed... <_<

<edited to add> It stands to mention, that with every push to the left, Australia and Canada both are losing their personal freedoms. Rights regarding free speech and bearing arms come to mind, first.

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Is there a book that you could possibly read to tell the difference?

I see what you are saying. I was thinking more along the lines of  sociological leftism, which would denote socialist  policies, but not necessarily a socialist economy. This was where I misunderstood you. I was thinking you were speaking of socialist economics, exclusively.

I think you're deeply confused about terms like "marxism," "communism," and "socialism."  That said, I have no idea what you think they mean, so I don't even know where to start.
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