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Yam

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Re: The current Prez
« Reply #25 on: January 24, 2017, 12:04:52 AM »
Now you're just complaining about Godzilla before he makes landfall. He hasn't made changes to science funding. Yet.

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Re: The current Prez
« Reply #26 on: January 24, 2017, 12:11:46 AM »
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Yam

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Re: The current Prez
« Reply #27 on: January 24, 2017, 03:12:26 AM »
Make the hands smaller.

Marauder Moe

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Re: The current Prez
« Reply #28 on: January 24, 2017, 09:05:41 AM »
So what, I'm not supposed to complain until I'm personally and tangibly affected?

That may not be far off.  I get my insurance through the ACA exchange and the funding for my upcoming contract is from a government research grant in one of the agencies targeted for research cuts.

Granted, it's not research in a subject that usually "triggers" Republicans, but I don't have any reason to believe Trump's executive orders will be particularly precise.

Synthesis

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« Reply #29 on: January 24, 2017, 12:21:39 PM »
I'm not sure executive orders have -that- much of an impact on spending.

The President’s decision to impound large amounts of appropriated funds led to two approaches to curtail the power. First, many persons and organizations, with a reasonable expectation of receipt of the impounded funds upon their release, brought large numbers of suits; with a few exceptions, these suits resulted in decisions denying the President either constitutional or statutory power to decline to spend or obligate funds, and the Supreme Court, presented with only statutory arguments by the Administration, held that no discretion existed under the particular statute to withhold allotments of funds to the States.

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“Policy” impoundments were to be reported to Congress by the President as permanent rescissions and, perhaps, as temporary deferrals.634 Rescissions are merely recommendations or proposals of the President and must be authorized by a bill or joint resolution, or, after 45 days from the presidential message, the funds must be made available for obligation.

Title X of the Act, also known as the Impoundment Control Act of 1974, specifies that the President may request that Congress rescind appropriated funds. If both the Senate and the House of Representatives have not approved a rescission proposal (by passing legislation) within 45 days of continuous session, any funds being withheld must be made available for obligation. Congress is not required to vote on the request, and has ignored most Presidential requests.[4] In response, some have called for a line item veto to strengthen the rescission power and force Congress to vote on the disputed funds.

The Act was passed in response to feelings in Congress that President Nixon was abusing his power of impoundment by withholding funding of programs he opposed. The Act, especially after Train v. City of New York (1975), effectively removed the presidential power of impoundment.

So...basically...Congress has to vote to approve the spending, then the President has to order it impounded, and within 45 days, Congress has to re-vote to block the spending that they already voted in favor of.  I.e. both the President and Congress have to be total dicks.  This is not likely to happen, given that House Representatives must be frequently re-elected.
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Yam

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Re: The current Prez
« Reply #30 on: January 24, 2017, 01:09:46 PM »
So what, I'm not supposed to complain until I'm personally and tangibly affected?

That may not be far off.  I get my insurance through the ACA exchange and the funding for my upcoming contract is from a government research grant in one of the agencies targeted for research cuts.

Granted, it's not research in a subject that usually "triggers" Republicans, but I don't have any reason to believe Trump's executive orders will be particularly precise.

I'm saying you'll get something to really complain about soon enough.

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Re: The current Prez
« Reply #31 on: January 24, 2017, 01:46:20 PM »
Wait for it



To add to Boogs link:

http://www.snopes.com/2017/01/23/melania-trump-frowning-inauguration/

Yeah, Melania is not a happy camper.

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« Reply #32 on: January 24, 2017, 07:03:53 PM »
Organized 30+ people today for a walk-in at my congressman's district office to defend the ACA.

They wouldn't tell us when he'll be back in the district or when we would be able to speak with him directly. I have his personal cell number and tried to put him on speaker but he wouldn't answer.

We ended up leaving 32 individual letters from individuals saved by ACA coverage and medical professionals. Individual letters are a good trick, because a petition gets one file in the cabinet, while each letter gets its own file.
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Re: The current Prez
« Reply #33 on: January 24, 2017, 11:07:21 PM »
Is it time to bring back mutual aid societies yet?
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Yam

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Re: The current Prez
« Reply #34 on: January 24, 2017, 11:24:15 PM »
Organized 30+ people today for a walk-in at my congressman's district office to defend the ACA.

They wouldn't tell us when he'll be back in the district or when we would be able to speak with him directly. I have his personal cell number and tried to put him on speaker but he wouldn't answer.

We ended up leaving 32 individual letters from individuals saved by ACA coverage and medical professionals. Individual letters are a good trick, because a petition gets one file in the cabinet, while each letter gets its own file.

You worked on a campaign. You should know better.


HavokBlue

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Re: The current Prez
« Reply #35 on: January 25, 2017, 02:06:15 AM »
Several candidates shared their cell numbers at university events and encouraged curious students to call them with questions.

I can't speak for other candidates, but my boss took every call.
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Marauder Moe

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« Reply #36 on: January 25, 2017, 06:57:24 AM »
And so we find ourselves in a world where both the losers and the winners of an election believe it was rigged...

Synthesis

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Re: The current Prez
« Reply #37 on: January 25, 2017, 11:50:15 AM »
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/01/donald-trump-2016-election-oklahoma-working-class

This kind of jives with the sentiment I get from Trump voters around me.  A list of grievances about how put-upon they are, and completely immune to all data and/or reasoning to the contrary.
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Re: The current Prez
« Reply #38 on: January 25, 2017, 12:39:15 PM »
He's just scrapped the TTIP.  ;D

Sayyadina

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« Reply #39 on: January 25, 2017, 01:01:18 PM »
"American carnage" is exactly what these first few days have felt like.  Trump thinks of himself as a builder, a creater, but so far he's done nothing but destroy.  Remove mortgage support for low-income families, cut arts funding, slash science funding, hack away at healthcare, and freeze federal hiring and pay raises.  There's no building.  There's no job creation.  There's not even TALK about anything constructive, just more fucking whining about the media and lying about crowd sizes, CIA feud, and popular vote results.

It's like watching a rabid hyena tear bloody chunks out of a living buffalo who is still standing but too tired and wounded to fight back.

At least he doesn't use a private email server, though.
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Marauder Moe

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« Reply #40 on: January 25, 2017, 01:23:10 PM »
If she hadn't done that then we wouldn't be in this mess.

Not everything that happened to cost Clinton the election was her fault, but a lot of it was.

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« Reply #41 on: January 25, 2017, 01:31:59 PM »
If she hadn't done that then we wouldn't be in this mess.

Not everything that happened to cost Clinton the election was her fault, but a lot of it was.

Dude seriously

Repubs somewhere are cackling in glee.
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Synthesis

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« Reply #42 on: January 25, 2017, 01:32:32 PM »
If she hadn't done the media hadn't relentlessly pursued that then we wouldn't be in this mess.

Not everything that happened to cost Clinton the election was her fault, but a lot of it was.

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Marauder Moe

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« Reply #43 on: January 25, 2017, 01:42:41 PM »
I'll say it again:
Not everything that happened to cost Clinton the election was her fault, but a lot of it was.

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« Reply #44 on: January 25, 2017, 01:45:32 PM »
If she hadn't done that then we wouldn't be in this mess.

You also said this.
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« Reply #45 on: January 25, 2017, 01:46:24 PM »
I mean, if she hadn't done it, there wouldn't have been a story to pursue.
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Re: The current Prez
« Reply #46 on: January 25, 2017, 01:47:33 PM »
I mean, if she hadn't done it, there wouldn't have been a story to pursue.

Oh darn, if I didn't stub my toe yesterday, it wouldn't hurt!

I mean at the time that she actually did it, it wasn't out of the ordinary. It was made into a big deal.

I can't believe this is still a topic of actual serious discussion.
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Marauder Moe

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« Reply #47 on: January 25, 2017, 01:48:24 PM »
I'm sorry, I recall that even Clinton herself came around to admitting it was a mistake.  Was it not?  Is she a blamless victim here?

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« Reply #48 on: January 25, 2017, 01:49:43 PM »
No. I never said she was. I mean, it'd be my fault if I stubbed my toe too.

I'm just really tired of seeing people jump on the smear campaign train.
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BadSkeelz

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Re: The current Prez
« Reply #49 on: January 25, 2017, 01:50:53 PM »
Every Secretary of State since the dawn of email has used private email servers. The focus on Clinton's was purely political.

Her main problem was that she has the personality of a lobster. I'd also say the Clinton Foundation was an anchor but considering people voted for Trump and his cronycabinet I'm actually skeptical as to whether voters give a shit about conflicts of interest. Maybe she just wasn't flagrantly corrupt enough?

I can't believe this is still a topic of actual serious discussion.

I imagine it's coming from the same part of our brains that make us talk about our football team even though they're now out of the playoffs, just because we don't want to think of the goddamn fucking patriots being in the super bowl again.
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