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Brokkr

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Re: Release Note discussion!
« Reply #1125 on: October 18, 2019, 09:58:43 PM »
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Veselka

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Re: Release Note discussion!
« Reply #1126 on: October 19, 2019, 01:30:03 AM »
It'd make for a creepy secondary spell for Vivadu or Nilaz, where they could put food/poisons/spice in stasis. For Vivadu, it would be on magical ice, for Nilaz, in a perpetual state of non-existence.
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perfecto

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Re: Release Note discussion!
« Reply #1127 on: October 21, 2019, 03:59:35 AM »
It'd make for a creepy secondary spell for Vivadu or Nilaz, where they could put food/poisons/spice in stasis. For Vivadu, it would be on magical ice, for Nilaz, in a perpetual state of non-existence.

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Re: Release Note discussion!
« Reply #1128 on: October 21, 2019, 02:33:48 PM »
New NPC changes verses ranged...so far seems cool.
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Lizzie

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Re: Release Note discussion!
« Reply #1129 on: October 21, 2019, 02:41:59 PM »
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-Changed how NPCs react to being shot depending on...
  -how wounded they are
  -if they are set as aggressive
  -if they are an intelligent race.

Sounds like a good change. Will enjoy experimenting!
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Dar

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Re: Release Note discussion!
« Reply #1130 on: October 21, 2019, 04:58:14 PM »
Sounds like a good change. Will enjoy experimenting!

That cracked me up :)

adri

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Re: Release Note discussion!
« Reply #1131 on: October 30, 2019, 01:08:39 AM »
If your target has a faster speed or is running, not so much.

What I've been seeing is that NPCs are walking fast enough to keep up with a running PC or mount and interrupt their movement entirely by initiating combat several rooms later.

Riev

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Re: Release Note discussion!
« Reply #1132 on: October 30, 2019, 09:07:24 AM »
If your target has a faster speed or is running, not so much.

What I've been seeing is that NPCs are walking fast enough to keep up with a running PC or mount and interrupt their movement entirely by initiating combat several rooms later.

Unfortunately, many animals are faster than our mounts, depending on terrain.
Think, a beetle's many legs might be good in the desert, but in rocky hills or uneven terrain, they may suffer speed. Whereas a tembo that has evolved to hunt those lands, can move swiftly.
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Harmless

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Re: Release Note discussion!
« Reply #1133 on: October 30, 2019, 09:23:10 AM »
I think move regeneration in NPCs could be looked at next.

Now that they move more, they have a big advantage in that NPCs recover stamina while standing and pursuing or fleeing from you.

If they had to sit also to regenerate stamina then they would eventually tire of chasing you or fleeing and give a hunter a chance for a new surprise attack.

Before it didnt matter as they didnt move much, but now they are faster than us and our mounts and they constantly regen stamina also.

Funnily this is how ancient humans hunted as well according to many hypotheses. We wouldn't be faster than them but because humans could jog for miles and sweat to stay cool they eventually caught up to their prey via tracking.
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roughneck

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Re: Release Note discussion!
« Reply #1134 on: October 30, 2019, 09:25:26 AM »
I would take an increase in their movement lag over the stamina thing. Although both would be nice.

More like a chase, less like a homing missile.

adri

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Re: Release Note discussion!
« Reply #1135 on: October 30, 2019, 09:36:53 AM »
I would take an increase in their movement lag over the stamina thing. Although both would be nice.

More like a chase, less like a homing missile.

Yes. As it stands now, combat with some NPCs is sometimes unavoidable even after you flee. Homing missile indeed.

Brokkr

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Re: Release Note discussion!
« Reply #1136 on: October 30, 2019, 11:59:20 AM »
Thanks for the feedback.  My own experience is that it is still fairly easy to elude pursuit, but I know how it works.  Have you been actively trying to figure it out?  Just wondering if there are a few assumptions here that are getting in the way of survival.

adri

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Re: Release Note discussion!
« Reply #1137 on: October 30, 2019, 01:15:57 PM »
Thanks for the feedback.  My own experience is that it is still fairly easy to elude pursuit, but I know how it works.  Have you been actively trying to figure it out?  Just wondering if there are a few assumptions here that are getting in the way of survival.
I have a few examples I could cite, but I submitted them via the request tool to avoid being specific on the GDB.

Greve

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Re: Release Note discussion!
« Reply #1138 on: November 02, 2019, 12:58:59 PM »
My own experience is that it is still fairly easy to elude pursuit, but I know how it works.  Have you been actively trying to figure it out?  Just wondering if there are a few assumptions here that are getting in the way of survival.

I have a few examples I could cite, but I submitted them via the request tool to avoid being specific on the GDB.

This seems like the wrong way to solicit feedback. Why not explain how it works? We're not talking about in-game knowledge here, are we? It's a purely code-based change. Should players have to experiment extensively with it before they deserve the right to provide feedback? This is a game where we're punished if caught fucking around with the code in OOC ways. Just say what you've done and ask what we think of it, otherwise you'll get wildly varying reports that depend on the extent to which any given individual has been exposed to the new code.

"Find out IC" should not apply to this kind of thing. The behavior of animals has not changed overnight from an IC perspective. Characters should not have to rediscover hunting practises.
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Derain

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Re: Release Note discussion!
« Reply #1139 on: November 02, 2019, 01:41:29 PM »
My experience so far is if you don't have good ride and are just starting there is zero delay on a few of the mobs chasing you and they are faster then war beetles for sure, if they hit you, you will fall off and die. all the change did was make survival stupid for new characters and also forced them to find a way to twink or spar before actually going outside because they can no longer get away if the gates are closed.

Harmless

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Re: Release Note discussion!
« Reply #1140 on: November 03, 2019, 11:05:52 PM »
i bet the mobs work off a line of sight code. they can see you two rooms away they will pursue. if you break their line of sight by moving perpendicular as soon as you can the LOS is broken. then you need to get enough distance to resume fleeing without giving them back LOS.

maybe?

don't trust me, I haven't tested it at all. But since staff aren't talking, I should be allowed to start guessing, right?

this would be vicious in many areas with chokepoints that are 1, 2 or 3 rooms wide even i would guess.

but I am totally guessing here
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Re: Release Note discussion!
« Reply #1141 on: November 04, 2019, 12:15:16 AM »
I would also like to put this out there, but animals that have been shot at some point will follow sneaking people. Even If they cannot see them, a scrab for example will follow regardless of whether or not their target is visible to them.

perfecto

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Re: Release Note discussion!
« Reply #1142 on: November 04, 2019, 07:24:54 AM »
My own experience is that it is still fairly easy to elude pursuit, but I know how it works.  Have you been actively trying to figure it out?  Just wondering if there are a few assumptions here that are getting in the way of survival.

I have a few examples I could cite, but I submitted them via the request tool to avoid being specific on the GDB.

This seems like the wrong way to solicit feedback. Why not explain how it works? We're not talking about in-game knowledge here, are we? It's a purely code-based change. Should players have to experiment extensively with it before they deserve the right to provide feedback? This is a game where we're punished if caught fucking around with the code in OOC ways. Just say what you've done and ask what we think of it, otherwise you'll get wildly varying reports that depend on the extent to which any given individual has been exposed to the new code.

"Find out IC" should not apply to this kind of thing. The behavior of animals has not changed overnight from an IC perspective. Characters should not have to rediscover hunting practises.

I agree with you... and at the same time I want to find out for myself.  I don't want to be told one thing or another to make it easier the next time I venture out.   It should be dangerous, every time. 

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