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Re: MeTekillot mental illness thread
« Reply #25 on: December 29, 2016, 08:29:24 PM »
I'd ask a pharmacist about drugs and side effects and interactions way before I'd ask any doctor. The amount of pharmacology doctors are instructed about in school is woefully ... pitiful.

Well, I would think that a psychiatrist would know more than a doctor or a pharmacist in general since this is their focus. The problem with medication like lamictal is that it can be all over the place ; insomnia is not a severe side effect, meaning that while it is a common one, it shouldn't prevent you from sleeping at all for many days in a row. You should tell your psychiatrist about it so that he can switch you to something else if you really think that it is your medication that causes your insomnia.

I mean, if you google it it will pretty much bring -every- side effects you can possibility think of but that's pretty common because they need to disclaim every possible side effects.

A psychiatrist is a doctor.

Although I'd like to hear the reason they went with a second line anticonvulsant instead of going with lithium and then valproate.

He doesn't have insomnia because of lamictal.  He has insomnia because lamictal obviously isn't working. I.e. He's still manic.
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Re: MeTekillot mental illness thread
« Reply #26 on: December 29, 2016, 09:20:31 PM »
The insomnia didn't start until I started the lamictal.
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Re: MeTekillot mental illness thread
« Reply #27 on: December 29, 2016, 09:24:28 PM »
That doesn't necessarily mean it is only because of the Lamictal, though. Have you changed anything recently? Diet, time you've gone to bed, exercise level?
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Re: MeTekillot mental illness thread
« Reply #28 on: December 29, 2016, 09:36:00 PM »
I'd ask a pharmacist about drugs and side effects and interactions way before I'd ask any doctor. The amount of pharmacology doctors are instructed about in school is woefully ... pitiful.

Well, I would think that a psychiatrist would know more than a doctor or a pharmacist in general since this is their focus. The problem with medication like lamictal is that it can be all over the place ; insomnia is not a severe side effect, meaning that while it is a common one, it shouldn't prevent you from sleeping at all for many days in a row. You should tell your psychiatrist about it so that he can switch you to something else if you really think that it is your medication that causes your insomnia.

I mean, if you google it it will pretty much bring -every- side effects you can possibility think of but that's pretty common because they need to disclaim every possible side effects.

A psychiatrist is a doctor.

Although I'd like to hear the reason they went with a second line anticonvulsant instead of going with lithium and then valproate.

He doesn't have insomnia because of lamictal.  He has insomnia because lamictal obviously isn't working. I.e. He's still manic.

Insomnia is indeed a potential side effect of Lamictal. Speculation, but his doctor may have gone with Lamictal because 1) lithium has really shitty side effects and 2) Lamictal can be effective in ADHD comorbid with BP.
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Re: MeTekillot mental illness thread
« Reply #29 on: December 29, 2016, 11:28:37 PM »
Insomnia is not staying up 2 days straight and feeling great. My point is not addressing insomnia. It is not insomnia. It probably is mania, for those of you who missed it.
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Re: MeTekillot mental illness thread
« Reply #30 on: December 30, 2016, 12:11:04 AM »
Well, it started out as insomnia, and my mood has been progressively weirder since I started taking the lamictal, first it caused me insomnia, then I started getting more common manic-feelingness, then I'd get the total numbness, and now I've just been kind of bouncing around extremely dark depression and what I think(?) is hypomania with my usual baseline being a kind of tired resignation/contentment. The insomnia started about a day or two after I started taking the medicine and persisted the five or six days I continued taking it, so I stopped taking it and organized a visit with my psychiatrist who told me that five or six days isn't enough time to determine if my medicine was causing my insomnia, even though it stopped about a day or two after I had stopped taking the medicine, so I've been taking the medicine since then and my moods have been increasingly 'regular' in the sense that I'm not cycling rapidly between rage/sadness/euphoria and I'm just generally in a state of placidity or contentment and the insomnia has been a regular fixture. Sometimes the insomnia causes me to feel exhausted, other times I get two hours of sleep and I feel fine the entire day (though I sometimes doze off).
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Re: MeTekillot mental illness thread
« Reply #31 on: December 30, 2016, 12:31:02 AM »
Looks like it can also induce mania.

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Re: MeTekillot mental illness thread
« Reply #32 on: December 30, 2016, 03:03:15 AM »
Sleep has not been my friend the last few days either.

I am also curious why lithium wasn't a first choice?  Or lithium in combination with something else?

Also, I don't know how much dope you were smoking before and how much you're smoking now, but have you considered that maybe your significant cutting back could be affecting your sleep?  Although if you're sleeping very little and you're not -tired- from the lack of sleep, it sounds much more like hypomania/mania and not so much to do with the decrease in weed.

While it -has- been reported, I think it's very rare that lamotrigine induces mania?

After the disaster that was me and Paxil, I ended up on Lamictal very soon after it was approved for bipolar treatment.  I took it for four years before I told the psychiatrist I wanted off and I haven't been on anything for my bipolar since then. 

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Re: MeTekillot mental illness thread
« Reply #33 on: December 31, 2016, 02:02:52 AM »
I'm told that I have the emotional energy of a shonen anime protagonist. How do I calmer baseline?
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Re: MeTekillot mental illness thread
« Reply #34 on: December 31, 2016, 02:15:04 AM »
It sounds like you're in the midst of a mixed episode, so lithium and/or valproate, unless you a) have some contraindication you haven't mentioned or b) have failed therapy on one or both, previously, and you haven't mentioned it.
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Re: MeTekillot mental illness thread
« Reply #35 on: December 31, 2016, 02:34:30 AM »
I'm told that I have the emotional energy of a shonen anime protagonist.

Is this your doctor's professional opinion? :)

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Re: MeTekillot mental illness thread
« Reply #36 on: December 31, 2016, 04:28:25 PM »
Varied people have told me I'm an extremely intense personality.
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Re: MeTekillot mental illness thread
« Reply #37 on: December 31, 2016, 05:40:37 PM »
And I'm noticing as I get older I'm more disposed toward extreme shifts in mood that I always figured was just me being more and more "fed up" but it could just be untreated bipolar disorder getting worse as I get older.
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Re: MeTekillot mental illness thread
« Reply #38 on: December 31, 2016, 08:02:44 PM »
Is it possible for you to get a second or third opinion?
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Re: MeTekillot mental illness thread
« Reply #39 on: December 31, 2016, 10:46:58 PM »
I would need to spend more that I couldn't afford.
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Re: MeTekillot mental illness thread
« Reply #40 on: January 01, 2017, 10:35:59 PM »
I just want to be involved.

However, I guess I do have something to add: I can relate to a lot of what you're going through. Insomnia isn't too much of a problem, this year, but when I have a good diet, it becomes a problem. The less I eat (too poor), the more tired I become, and it's usually fast food and crap.

I'm really curious what your diet is like, including drinks. I have a friend who has a lot of trouble with ADD, but he mellows out when he drinks a particular energy drink. Mellows out, but becomes morbid, and has intrusive thoughts. So, there's definitely a trade off.

Ultimately, if you ever get the money, I suggest visiting a nutritionist and getting them to do one of those tests on your hair, where they can tell you if are deficient in any key nutrients.
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Re: MeTekillot mental illness thread
« Reply #41 on: January 02, 2017, 08:11:42 AM »
Hair can be used to test DNA. It can't be used to test nutritional levels. Hair nutrition tests are quackery and fraud. Explanation including the fraudulent claims and the actual science here:
https://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/hair.html

MeTekillot, I thought you mentioned at one point you're one of the older Arm players? By older I mean your age, not how many years you've been playing. Could it be possible that, combined with your usual chronic mental health issues, you're also experiencing the results of a hormonal shift? If your estrogen and testosterone levels are out of whack it could upset the whole chemical balance of your mind vs. your meds. If you haven't already, definitely get them checked.
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Re: MeTekillot mental illness thread
« Reply #42 on: January 02, 2017, 09:07:59 AM »
He's in his early 20s.
I want to say that he recently posted he was...22? 
But without looking back through his recent posts, it would be a guess.

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Re: MeTekillot mental illness thread
« Reply #43 on: January 02, 2017, 09:29:59 AM »
Got him confused for someone else then. Regardless, if his mood swings and sleeplessness have become worse, he should still make sure his hormones are doing what they're supposed to do, in the right proportions.
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Re: MeTekillot mental illness thread
« Reply #44 on: January 02, 2017, 05:16:24 PM »
Different strains of Marijuana have different effects on my mind. Usually helps with sleep.

In any case, I sleep better when I take the mood stabilizers earlier in the day. But I've also been differing levels of intoxicated every night for the past 3-4 days.

Mood has seemed more stable lately. Had an anxiety attack about dying while stoned a week ago. Been obsessing over death since then but kinda mellowing about it.
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Re: MeTekillot mental illness thread
« Reply #45 on: January 02, 2017, 05:48:58 PM »
Looks like it can also induce mania.

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Re: MeTekillot mental illness thread
« Reply #46 on: January 03, 2017, 10:13:30 AM »
Qwack! Qwack!

Thank you, Lizzie. I'm not going to even visit a website called 'quackwatch', but I will, however, take your word for it. You don't seem the type to dismiss something potentially helpful offhand, without researching it first. Too bad about the hair thing, too. That would be really useful.

MeTekillot, I don't know what to tell you, but after finding out that you're in your twenties, my best advice is to invest in bitcoin. I read somewhere it was a good idea, and the poster seemed more credible than me.
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Re: MeTekillot mental illness thread
« Reply #47 on: January 03, 2017, 10:42:12 AM »
Hair can be used to test DNA. It can't be used to test nutritional levels. Hair nutrition tests are quackery and fraud. Explanation including the fraudulent claims and the actual science here:
https://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/hair.html

MeTekillot, I thought you mentioned at one point you're one of the older Arm players? By older I mean your age, not how many years you've been playing. Could it be possible that, combined with your usual chronic mental health issues, you're also experiencing the results of a hormonal shift? If your estrogen and testosterone levels are out of whack it could upset the whole chemical balance of your mind vs. your meds. If you haven't already, definitely get them checked.

Every psychiatric diagnosis (especially bipolar disorder) requires that you rule out organic disease before establishing the diagnosis.  Since he's already said he's seeing a psychiatrist  (doctor), and he's already taking Lamictal, the safe assumption is that organic causes have already been ruled out, if we assume that his doctor is practicing according to standard guidelines, anyway.

Which...I suppose could be questionable, given that with the information we have, the Lamictal prescription seems odd.
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Re: MeTekillot mental illness thread
« Reply #48 on: January 03, 2017, 12:19:13 PM »
Death obsessed lately. Not panicking about dying, just morbidly fixated. I have obsessive features, don't know if they're mental illness level or just a personality quirk.
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Re: MeTekillot mental illness thread
« Reply #49 on: January 03, 2017, 12:41:32 PM »
Mental illness is just a personality quirk gone terribly wrong.
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