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Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
« Reply #25 on: August 09, 2016, 07:34:05 PM »
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Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
« Reply #26 on: August 09, 2016, 08:28:50 PM »
Re: House Colors

I've played a variety of nobles, and they only wear their House colors when they want to or haven't had a chance to get decked out by Kadius yet.  My commoner employees will wear whatever their House colors are, but my nobles themselves typically expect everyone to know who they are without being head-to-heels in one of their two thematic colors.  They have shiny silver rings proclaiming that they're better than you. 

Most often, in order of most to least influential, my nobles wear colors:
1) that a PC Kadian said looked good on them, recently sold to them, or said are in season
2) are in season in the Kadian shop
3) are white
4) are House colors
5) are whatever the fuck my noble wants to wear for some reason because they do what they want

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Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
« Reply #27 on: August 09, 2016, 08:32:06 PM »
Fine. I'll be the one to say it. I hate you, team colors. I hate you.

If I were reading a fantasy book where the servants dressed to House colors, I'd be like...yeah. They're servants.

For the nobility, however, I think they should all best please their own whims. It's slavish to follow their House colors so stringently, and if that were in a novel, I'd find it pretty silly. Those restrictions make sense for the lowblooded commoners, but not for the Highborn. How much more fun would Allanaki high style be? The Kadian item database is massive, but there are limited items that make sense and go together for clans. Throw open the doors, I say!

Lord McGruffin McTangerinePants should be able to dress his favored servant in only feathered items or whatever, because that makes things more fun. I want to always be with you, my fellow players, in pursuit of fun. I bring this up in particular because it's just game tradition to do it the way we do. There hasn't ever been any documentation to support this. Good deal, too, because how much weirder would it be that the Chosen did it the same way. It's meta. We want the newbs to be able to tell which House is what. I love the newbs, but let's just teach them to look at rings.

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Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
« Reply #28 on: August 09, 2016, 08:52:04 PM »
So long as your outfits come with a Flee-penalty I think I could be alright ;)


Fuck Nobles wearing gloves, though.
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Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
« Reply #29 on: August 09, 2016, 09:17:28 PM »



Fuck Nobles wearing gloves, though.

Seriously. If you are ever a noble wearing gloves and you expect people to bow to you but they can't look at your rings, well, they have no damn reason to think they should be able to. They can't see the single item that GUARANTEES a highborn: metal.

Ergo, it's your own damn fault.

I get it if you're trying to look like a commoner, but otherwise, what gives?

:/ It makes me sadface. I mean... just because a pc is wearing a shitload of silk doesn't mean they're a noble. They could well be a concubine. It's the visible metal ring that says you're the noble.
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Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
« Reply #30 on: August 09, 2016, 09:29:24 PM »
Okay so, also...focus on sandals.

Here's the bad news, lads and ladies:

Sandals: Generally worn by anyone in the north. In the southlands, such are worn only by gladiators and/or slaves.

http://old.armageddon.org/general/clothing.html

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Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
« Reply #31 on: August 09, 2016, 09:48:22 PM »
Okay so, also...focus on sandals.

Here's the bad news, lads and ladies:

Sandals: Generally worn by anyone in the north. In the southlands, such are worn only by gladiators and/or slaves.

http://old.armageddon.org/general/clothing.html

Needs moar slippers and stuff that aren't sandals or boots then, imo, given that the commoner's clothing shop (nonkadian) regularly stocks beaded sandals and there's little other than 'shoes' (which, btw how boring and nondescriptive is that word) for footwear if you aren't in heels which... not terribly practical. I'd like to see welen's stock more slippers and minna's more heels, since, you know, nobles don't have to do all the running but commoners do, making slippers a hell of a lot more practical. >.>
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Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
« Reply #32 on: August 09, 2016, 10:36:28 PM »
My Borsail wore a lot of blue and green.

Wearing House colors is cool, especially for formal functions, but would you want to wear the same color every day in real life?

I mean, it helps us tell who's on what team in Game of Thrones, but I think the signet rings are clue enough.

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Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
« Reply #33 on: August 09, 2016, 10:49:07 PM »
I had a signet ring once. No one bowed to me  :'(
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Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
« Reply #34 on: August 09, 2016, 11:24:07 PM »
I always kind of like it when nobles wear gloves and then act peeved when they're not recognized. ICly they are deluded and think that everyone should recognize them just because they're better.

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Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
« Reply #35 on: August 09, 2016, 11:31:59 PM »
Most nobles wear silk on silk on silk.
Thats a good sign
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Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
« Reply #36 on: August 09, 2016, 11:55:02 PM »
Most nobles wear silk on silk on silk.
Thats a good sign

Unless it's a concubine. Which are likened to those small purse dogs in the docs, and well... people buy mini louis vuitton and gucci for their purse puppies too.

It could also be other positions which I've seen on occasion.

It's a good sign, but it's still embarassing to be bowing to someone who's not a noble, just because you assume something that is freely available (silk) signifies the same thing as something that is not (metal) because Lord Dicknballs decided to wear gloves.
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Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
« Reply #37 on: August 09, 2016, 11:58:40 PM »
I've yet to see a commoner wear more than 1 piece of silk and even then they were like, a commonly known aide.
And usually then they wear their employer aba/thing.
I think a good way to learn it is:
Do they have a guard?
Are they wearing 3+ pieces of silk?
Are you sure they aren't a nobles ho?
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Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
« Reply #38 on: August 10, 2016, 12:05:53 AM »
I've yet to see a commoner wear more than 1 piece of silk and even then they were like, a commonly known aide.
And usually then they wear their employer aba/thing.
I think a good way to learn it is:
Do they have a guard?
Are they wearing 3+ pieces of silk?
Are you sure they aren't a nobles ho?


Yeah, that's largely thanks so a sumptuary thing which I frankly HATE. Silk is freely available for any commoner to buy. Metal is not.

If you want to make it where commoners can't freely wear silk around anywhere, you ought to stop stocking it publicly.

In fact, it's about the only thing I liked about Tuluk, was that I didn't have silk off limits. I hate sumptuary laws. If you genuinely believe that your blood is what makes you better, and the person is a loyal servant of one of the ruling houses with all the markers to indicate it, I see no reason why they should be harassed for buying something that's traded freely by a great merchant house.

That's its own whole ball of wax. But yes, I cannot state enough how much I hate this artificial sumptuary crap w/regards to silk.

Commoners can get and wear silk freely. They can't with metal. I could understand being bent af if one was wearing metal. Silk... honestly, not at all.
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Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
« Reply #39 on: August 10, 2016, 12:18:55 AM »
"If you want to make it where commoners can't freely wear silk around anywhere, you ought to stop stocking it publicly. "
I agree
Theres a silk robe in a certain quarter.
In this quarter the people who would be buying said robe WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO WEAR IT.
To which I beg the question
WHY IS IT THERE??????
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Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
« Reply #40 on: August 10, 2016, 12:20:13 AM »
Hey, hey, hey now, silk isn't illegal for commoners, they just can't wear it.
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Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
« Reply #41 on: August 10, 2016, 12:22:44 AM »
I've yet to see a commoner wear more than 1 piece of silk and even then they were like, a commonly known aide.
And usually then they wear their employer aba/thing.
I think a good way to learn it is:
Do they have a guard?
Are they wearing 3+ pieces of silk?
Are you sure they aren't a nobles ho?


Yeah, that's largely thanks so a sumptuary thing which I frankly HATE. Silk is freely available for any commoner to buy. Metal is not.

If you want to make it where commoners can't freely wear silk around anywhere, you ought to stop stocking it publicly.

In fact, it's about the only thing I liked about Tuluk, was that I didn't have silk off limits. I hate sumptuary laws. If you genuinely believe that your blood is what makes you better, and the person is a loyal servant of one of the ruling houses with all the markers to indicate it, I see no reason why they should be harassed for buying something that's traded freely by a great merchant house.

That's its own whole ball of wax. But yes, I cannot state enough how much I hate this artificial sumptuary crap w/regards to silk.

Commoners can get and wear silk freely. They can't with metal. I could understand being bent af if one was wearing metal. Silk... honestly, not at all.

Except it's like part of documentation?
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Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
« Reply #42 on: August 10, 2016, 12:34:40 AM »
Hey, hey, hey now, silk isn't illegal for commoners, they just can't wear it.
Whats the point of buying a fancy silk robe then?
Thats for sell in an area for commoners
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Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
« Reply #43 on: August 10, 2016, 12:49:46 AM »
How about we stick to the topic, which is to illustrate what we think of Allanaki cultural fashions?

If you're bothered by something being on offer, maybe idea it, typo it, whatever, and staff can look at removing or adding items to shops? If shit's for sale in a quarter it's not meant to be, it might've been crafted by a player, hoping to get a little coin, anyway.

Just because it's on offer doesn't mean it should be worn by just anyone.



A commoner wearing some linen or cotton, instead of silk? Modest, plain.
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Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
« Reply #44 on: August 10, 2016, 02:16:47 AM »
I've yet to see a commoner wear more than 1 piece of silk and even then they were like, a commonly known aide.
And usually then they wear their employer aba/thing.
I think a good way to learn it is:
Do they have a guard?
Are they wearing 3+ pieces of silk?
Are you sure they aren't a nobles ho?


Yeah, that's largely thanks so a sumptuary thing which I frankly HATE. Silk is freely available for any commoner to buy. Metal is not.

If you want to make it where commoners can't freely wear silk around anywhere, you ought to stop stocking it publicly.

In fact, it's about the only thing I liked about Tuluk, was that I didn't have silk off limits. I hate sumptuary laws. If you genuinely believe that your blood is what makes you better, and the person is a loyal servant of one of the ruling houses with all the markers to indicate it, I see no reason why they should be harassed for buying something that's traded freely by a great merchant house.

That's its own whole ball of wax. But yes, I cannot state enough how much I hate this artificial sumptuary crap w/regards to silk.

Commoners can get and wear silk freely. They can't with metal. I could understand being bent af if one was wearing metal. Silk... honestly, not at all.

Except it's like part of documentation?

Unless "more commonly" translate to "illegal", I don't know where you're getting that. Can you point me to where it says that?

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Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
« Reply #45 on: August 10, 2016, 04:27:51 AM »
House colors are always something that has annoyed me. My character isn't a walking billboard and my noble isn't a brand manager.

I don't even like house cloaks.
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Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
« Reply #46 on: August 10, 2016, 06:14:04 AM »
House colors are always something that has annoyed me. My character isn't a walking billboard and my noble isn't a brand manager.

I don't even like house cloaks.

Touche. I think if everyone could wear a piece of jewelry or a single article to indicate their status (one which was NOT restricted to being a floor length thing in house colors), there would be less of this. But as it is, I at least (can't speak for others) will tend to wear house colors simply to match the stuff the job requires be worn, because I hate clashing colors. It makes me cringe.
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Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
« Reply #47 on: August 10, 2016, 08:59:20 AM »
I've never played a role where fashion was a thing for my character.

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Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
« Reply #48 on: August 10, 2016, 10:51:36 AM »
It wasn't acceptable in the North to run about tarted up in silks as a commoner. I had ad a long lived Kadian who tried to convey that. Perhaps being the north the censure was just too subtle.
It was more loose than in the South, but commoners dressing like nobles wasn't ok there.
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Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
« Reply #49 on: August 10, 2016, 10:53:32 AM »
House colors are always something that has annoyed me. My character isn't a walking billboard and my noble isn't a brand manager.

I don't even like house cloaks.

Touche. I think if everyone could wear a piece of jewelry or a single article to indicate their status (one which was NOT restricted to being a floor length thing in house colors), there would be less of this. But as it is, I at least (can't speak for others) will tend to wear house colors simply to match the stuff the job requires be worn, because I hate clashing colors. It makes me cringe.

Yes please. A shoulder pin would be much easier to work with.
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