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Hauwke

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Re: Game Discussion Thread
« Reply #11500 on: December 06, 2017, 12:28:54 AM »
I would like to play Divinity myself,but dont have it.

I have been playing the shit out of some Mass Effect 2. Just passed the mission to recover the Reaper IFF, geez, all those husks made it difficult to reload when they come in waves of 6 or 7. Kind of makes me want to get a fully upgraded concussive blast since a shot from it kills them one hit, and one of the upgrade paths gives it an AOE essentially.

lordcooper

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Re: Game Discussion Thread
« Reply #11501 on: December 07, 2017, 11:01:59 PM »


I would very much like to get on Mr Kojima's Wild Ride.
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Re: Game Discussion Thread
« Reply #11502 on: December 08, 2017, 07:31:04 PM »
I would like to play Divinity myself,but dont have it.
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Re: Game Discussion Thread
« Reply #11503 on: December 08, 2017, 08:13:37 PM »
Oh thats awesome to know!

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« Reply #11504 on: December 09, 2017, 06:51:36 AM »
Fate keeps keeping me from getting Breath of the Wild (for which I got 5+ amiibos for free out of sheer luck) and also Yandere Simulator, the sandbox build, which I am beginning to think I'm better off watching than playing as it seems to be a really high-stress game (you go around your high school trying to get away with murders.) Yandere Dev makes some good videos for it though. When the full game is made and released, I'm just going to watch other people play. He's going to design it so that you can get through the whole game without killing a single person.
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Re: Game Discussion Thread
« Reply #11505 on: December 11, 2017, 05:41:45 AM »
Rainbow Six: Siege is one of the best multiplayer shooters in decade and despite a rocky launch and some bumps along the way, it has consistently improved and expanded with solid post-launch content and updates.

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« Reply #11506 on: December 11, 2017, 09:59:05 AM »
For what it is, I enjoyed Assassin's Creed: Origins. There were some storytelling elements that confused me, that maybe I skipped some in-game lore or something that explained the holes, but the gameplay was solid and the telling of how the Creed started gave me shivers.

I kind of want to play the main AC games again just to experience the story, but... I don't want to go back to Parry-land.
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Re: Game Discussion Thread
« Reply #11507 on: December 12, 2017, 12:46:42 AM »
Anyone played Nier: Automata? Watched a review. Seems good.
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Re: Game Discussion Thread
« Reply #11508 on: December 13, 2017, 01:37:22 AM »
It was a contender or game of the year so it's probably good.

lordcooper

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Re: Game Discussion Thread
« Reply #11509 on: December 13, 2017, 02:54:48 PM »
Anyone played Nier: Automata? Watched a review. Seems good.

It's bloody brilliant, although the PC port is awful.
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Re: Game Discussion Thread
« Reply #11510 on: December 13, 2017, 03:38:10 PM »
I'm watching a Let's Play for Horizon: Zero Dawn and am enjoying it very much. It's rare for a videogame to interest me in its story and world building. Hell, it's rare for books and movies to do the trick these days. I think I'm growing old. :P

It's not the kind of game I could play myself, though. I'm notoriously bad at live action combat. Give me turns and I'll beat impossible odds (I DESTROYED the Heroes of Might & Magic games on hard), but if there is a dodge button, I'm going to flail helplessly.

Hauwke

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Re: Game Discussion Thread
« Reply #11511 on: December 13, 2017, 04:54:04 PM »
Honestly I am far better at live combat then I am at turn based, I beat Dragon's Dogma Dark Arisen's final boss for the Bitterblack isle solo both times, for example because I couldnt be bothered to continue rezzing my pawns as they kept falling because UGH AI LOGIC Y U SO BAD!

That said, I do love me some old school dungeon crawls, nothing beats that moment where you turn a corner in one and see 3 of the toughest critters in the game all at once and just nope out.

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« Reply #11512 on: December 14, 2017, 02:06:53 AM »
Gave the Monster Hunter World Beta a spin, while it was up, and wasn't disappointed. Could see how it could get relatively lackluster when on your own but I fortunately have a group whose interested in it so we were all able to do some runs together to get a feel for it.

I'm also growing quite giddy at the prospects of playing Conan Exiles on the PS4, when it releases in 2018.
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Re: Game Discussion Thread
« Reply #11513 on: December 14, 2017, 06:45:58 PM »
Aloy is simply a believable character that stands out in her own right, theres nothing really over done about her personality or concept, and it just sort of connects all together into a very functional, and well written character (in my opinion)

I like the game, but I don't share your impression of Aloy. She's likeable enough, and she has a ready tongue, but I find her a little too fearless and self-confident to be believable. She hardly reacts to death, for instance, even of people she should realistically care about. And Big Scary Stuff (tm) and situations don't seem to faze her at all. She braves everything with a shrug and snark. It's like a bunch of game designers sat around a table and decided that a 'strong female lead' equals 'no weaknesses whatsoever'. Every single companion NPC in Dragon Age: Inquisition had more depth to them.

I've only seen about a third of the game but that girl doesn't seem to have ANY flaws. Except her status at the very beginning.
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« Reply #11514 on: December 14, 2017, 08:55:16 PM »
Thats an unfortunate thing, story directors and such for both movies and games just cant seem to get personality 'just so'. You either end up with macho man, or the unwilling hero, or the nerd,or any other number of stereotypes with minor changes that really dont help them. And women, they get either damsel in distress, or over the top Amazonian Buttkicker Extraordinare that can do any and every thing, and to really throw a cherry on top sometimes, the same character can be both! They can be super tough until manly mcmeaterson shows up, and then they are a blubbering pile of teary-eyed uselessness.

Is writing a character for a video game really that difficult that you cant have a regular person, with actual fears and have them portayed in a realistic and honestly far more entertaining way?

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« Reply #11515 on: December 15, 2017, 12:52:41 AM »
I don't think the gaming industry has as strong of credentials when it comes to story editors. They do have great writing teams but big publishing house editors have decades more experience than the gaming industry as far as story structuring, etc. I'm of the belief that since the writing teams often on the same "team" as the designer of the game there is a "conflict of interest" toward generating a good story--most of the time.
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« Reply #11516 on: December 15, 2017, 06:46:31 AM »
Well yeah, video games as a story telling media is a relatively new thing and people are still sort of getting the hang of it, but honestly if you want to make the most money out of something, you need a polished product, and hiring a dedicated story guy might not be a terrible idea.

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« Reply #11517 on: December 15, 2017, 08:17:00 AM »
Videogame designers already know how to tell great stories with great, believable characters.

(more character emotion in 2 minutes than Aloy displays in 20 hours). Also a TOTAL BADASS GURL.

I suspect in this case they decided the cool monsters and cool explosions were more important, though. The story isn't bad, and I love the world building, but Aloy is such a freaking Mary Sue it's not even funny.
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« Reply #11518 on: December 15, 2017, 09:12:54 AM »
There's also the financial consideration, in my opinion, of "Do we spend an extra (potentially) $300,000 in our budget for a decent story writer, or do we save that and make the lead a common archetype that shares basic values amongst our most prolific consumer base?"

Aloy as a person? Not written like one could if they were writing a book. The game CERTAINLY could have gone into that, but I don't know that their target audience would have appreciated it. The game is very much Assassin's Creed/Shadow of Mordor in that the basic story drives your actions, but eventually you realize the story is like 20% of the game.

I'm not saying I AGREE with it.
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Re: Game Discussion Thread
« Reply #11519 on: December 15, 2017, 09:45:54 AM »
A decent main character for $300'000? I'll write one for 30K. Where do I sign up?  :P

(I still think the story is fine in this case. The voice actors are good, and a lot of thought / energy was invested in all the little world building snippets you can find along the way.)
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« Reply #11520 on: December 15, 2017, 10:19:20 AM »
A decent main character for $300'000? I'll write one for 30K. Where do I sign up?  :P

(I still think the story is fine in this case. The voice actors are good, and a lot of thought / energy was invested in all the little world building snippets you can find along the way.)

:p

I was more referring to the fact that a Writer is probably making 60,000 a year for a middling one with decent reputation, and that they're probably working on the game for like 5 years.

When it comes to main characters, regardless of whether its a man or a woman, they always seem to adhere to simple stereotypes. Its easier to get your entire consumer base to understand simple motivations they might share, than one person's deep dark demons and involved, realistic backstory that comes up often to drive their decisions and the story.

One makes a decent video game. The other a great book. If I want to play a decent game, I'll play Assassin's Creed. If I want to experience a decent story, maybe I'll read an Assassin's Creed book where more detail can be in my head.
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« Reply #11521 on: December 15, 2017, 10:26:25 AM »
Yet someone invested SOOOOO much time into all those history snippets and fragments from the past - which are well thought out and incredibly detailed, and there is a ton of them so a good writer must have been involved. The character probably would have been less work and I don't think a great main character ever hurt a game in any way. What made The Last of Us famous? Definitely not the mediocre gameplay. Would the Witcher 3 have made this much cash, and earned such a great reputation with flat characters? I think not.

That said, even Geralt of Rivia is a little Gary Stu'ish but he does have depth, and flaws. If Ciri died, you can bet he wouldn't just shrug it off.
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« Reply #11522 on: December 15, 2017, 12:58:34 PM »
Yet someone invested SOOOOO much time into all those history snippets and fragments from the past - which are well thought out and incredibly detailed, and there is a ton of them so a good writer must have been involved. The character probably would have been less work

The difference is that while the background fluff for a game can be pretty much set in stone from the start, the realities of development mean that ongoing events can change drastically over time.  Tolkien didn't have to deal with the Balrog being cut due to the artists being a bit behind on their work, and such a thing would have had far reaching implications for the plot.  Nobody told GRRM that he had to write out Essos because they've just realised their engine can only handle a map half the originally planned size.  Pratchett hasn't had to hastily think up alternate dialogue for a Warrior Rincewind because the publisher mandated multiple character classes after speaking with a focus group.  Accio was never suddenly removed from Rowling's books because it turned out to be trivialise fetch quests and decrease game length.

Kinda OTT examples, but my point is that games constantly change during development for a multitude of reasons, sometimes to a huge degree.  Hell, the first GTA started out as a racing game.  Writing can't realistically be 'finished' early during development, it's on ongoing and adaptive process where the writers need to work reasonably closely alongside designers, artists and even coders.

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That said, even Geralt of Rivia is a little Gary Stu'ish but he does have depth, and flaws. If Ciri died, you can bet he wouldn't just shrug it off.

She actually does die in one of the endings, and he most definitely does not shrug it off.

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Re: Game Discussion Thread
« Reply #11523 on: December 15, 2017, 07:03:32 PM »
I feel like the Witcher games don't really count for the discussion because they have an incredibly successful book series to draw source material from.
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Re: Game Discussion Thread
« Reply #11524 on: December 15, 2017, 07:06:36 PM »
Thats a fair one.

I thought about what I said before, and only sort of changed my mind on my opinion:

There are times when a flat, super generic character is best, E.g: Zelda, Pokemon, Skyrim etc. Where you, yourself make the story and such.

But otherwise, if you advertise your game as being heavily story driven, goddammit hire a decent writer.