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KankWhisperer

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Re: American Political Thread
« Reply #3175 on: September 25, 2012, 02:55:11 PM »
Since I am not wealthy enough for Romney to care, I am voting Obama.

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Re: American Political Thread
« Reply #3176 on: September 25, 2012, 02:55:33 PM »
Obamacare is several steps in the right direction.

Ending the war in Iraq was a good thing.

Getting Osama bin Laden was a good thing.

The stimulus saved many companies/jobs.

The economy is recovering, even if slower than hoped.

DADT repeal is a step in the right direction.

Passed legislature and funded programs to aid our military veterans.


Knowing what I know now, no I would not change my 2008 vote.  Despite what the news may say (neither side really improves ratings by pushing positive stories), Obama achieved quite a bit in his first term, despite Republican opposition that put his failure as their #1 priority, trumping the poor, the economy, veterans, and even the budget/deficit.

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Re: American Political Thread
« Reply #3177 on: September 25, 2012, 03:05:46 PM »
I hate to tell you this, buddy, but all the Democrats are posting in the Republican thread, and it's getting hot in therrre.
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Re: American Political Thread
« Reply #3178 on: September 25, 2012, 03:07:05 PM »
It's really just a "politics" thread that happened to have started during the GOP primary season.

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Re: American Political Thread
« Reply #3179 on: September 25, 2012, 03:11:54 PM »
I think people overestimate how much power the President has.  If Congress isn't willing to work with the President (whoever it is), than we are at a roadblock.  For the last few years, most of his agenda has been blocked -- is it really his fault if our representatives have done this? I say no, he's done his best under the circumstances.  Given how little middle ground there is nowadays in the USA, and how polarized our country is in general, even what he was able to accomplish is amazing.

I wouldn't go back and change my vote, nor more than I would think to vote for Romney this time around.  fwiw I'm a swing voter and don't march with party lines, I vote for whoever best represents me.

And it sure as hell isn't Mitt Romney and his cronies.
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Re: American Political Thread
« Reply #3180 on: September 25, 2012, 03:23:29 PM »
You want to be fair?  Cool!   Now you have to get along all in one thread like you were all doing before!  :)

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Re: American Political Thread
« Reply #3181 on: September 25, 2012, 03:32:03 PM »
Thank you Nyr. This is much better than before.

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Re: American Political Thread
« Reply #3182 on: September 25, 2012, 05:33:02 PM »
Didn't David Brooks already admit on air that his candidate "isn't going to win any popularity contests ... he's the least popular candidate in history"?

*facepalm*

I'm not an Obama fanboi, but at the presidential level you basically vote on the lesser of two evils. Which means Obama. As for whether or not I'm personally better off now than 4 years ago? lolololol

Dude, Obama changed the GI bill to fully cover the costs of college right as I started school. College past the first semester was 100% free for me. And now that I graduated, I've landed a job as a business development director for a CRO. Yeah, I'm doing ok under Obama. So is all of Wall Street and the greater business community at large, including the Koch Brothers and Sheldon Adelson.

In the long game, even if you're rich, a vote for Romney is a vote against your economic interests. You're voting to skin the sheep instead of continuing to fleece it.
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Re: American Political Thread
« Reply #3183 on: September 25, 2012, 07:31:34 PM »
So why didn't you run then, Mr. Ralph? http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0912/81649.html

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Re: American Political Thread
« Reply #3184 on: September 25, 2012, 09:31:27 PM »
jstorrie is always right. Okay, okay. Let's get this show back on the road...

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Re: American Political Thread
« Reply #3185 on: September 25, 2012, 09:59:01 PM »
Also would totally take Madonna over any modern popstar.
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Re: American Political Thread
« Reply #3186 on: September 25, 2012, 10:00:12 PM »
b) it is not misogynist to think that a woman is unattractive, but it is very much misogynist to say so, out loud, where people can hear you
No. No it isn't.

Why is it not misogynist to demean a woman based on her not matching up to an artificially constructed set of beauty norms, which are themselves sexist and patriarchal in nature?

Is it because you guys refuse to admit that your behavior might be inappropriate?

Look, we all said 'gay' in the 90s and we all at some point had to admit to ourselves that that was a bad thing. I know you guys are capable of making another leap here.

Your argument is that every insult hurled at a woman only helps to slow the advancement of womens rights and equality? Regardless of the context of that insult, the reasoning behind it?

I'd suggest you don't start combing out the bad with the finest toothed comb you've got first. Trying to make every single person feel accountable for every passing thing they said in jest that might perpetuate sexism will probably be both fruitless and enraging.
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Re: American Political Thread
« Reply #3187 on: September 25, 2012, 10:02:25 PM »
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Re: American Political Thread
« Reply #3188 on: September 25, 2012, 10:03:04 PM »
Yeah, keep posting in this thread while I'm trying to ban and split it away, that's a good way to not get banned so that I can just get it done!
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Re: American Political Thread
« Reply #3189 on: September 25, 2012, 10:03:31 PM »
lol artificially constructed beauty norms

Okay man, if you want to go down that rabbit hole, every opinion you could possibly hold about a person can be reinterpreted as some sort of artificially constructed terrible societal construct.  I for one think we should really drop our over-valuation of competent, reasonable people.  I mean, competence and reasonableness are just societally-constructed behavioral norms that have been repressing fanatics and slackers for centuries!

Where's the love for layabouts and half-wits?  For the lazy and irrational?

a) Okay, it's like saying I hate all black people because I think Michael Vick is a douchebag.  How about dem apples?
b) No, it's not misogynistic.  Sure, it makes you an asshole, but not misogynistic.

Judgements about women's bodies are much more than 'idle opinion(s) on aesthetics'. These judgements have real, negative effects on real human beings.

Why does it make you an asshole, if not for the misogyny? What's wrong about it, if it isn't the sexism?

Hurting someone's feelings doesn't mean you're discriminating against them, or that you even necessarily hate them, much less the entire gender they belong to.  It's just an individual act of intentionally hurting someone's feelings, and that makes you an asshole.  That's what's wrong* about it, for fuck's sake.

For example, if I called Michael Vick a douchebag to his face, it would make me an asshole.  It doesn't make me a racist.  It means I don't like the way he treats animals.  If I call a woman ugly to her face, I'm an asshole.  It doesn't make me a misogynist.  It means I don't find her visually appealing.  Both are just idle opinions.

Once again, you can argue whether a particular opinion is "good" in some other sense, in terms of outcomes or harm, or whatever...but calling it misogynistic is philosophically lazy.  It's putting a behavior or opinion into some generic "bad" category that it doesn't quite fit in, in an attempt to win the rhetorical argument without building a solid case against it.  So go ahead and build your case for beauty norms or whatever (see above), but don't be lazy and resort to claims of misogyny where none exists.

*where "wrong" is loosely defined as whatever the hell our society's general standards for such things are
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Re: American Political Thread
« Reply #3190 on: September 25, 2012, 10:05:35 PM »
Locked.  Nevermind; you guys are assholes and I don't feel like splitting a thread when you can't follow simple instructions.
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