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« on: June 28, 2003, 07:36:01 PM »
Lately I have noticed that when there is a very decent roleplayer and he or she does not use capital letters or proper punctuation it bothers me.

I don't think I expect a person to have perfect grammar, I think that's unrealistic for Armageddon since frequently we shorten words or make them up.  I just sincerely wish people would capitalize the beginning of a sentence and the letter 'I'.

I find that:
Slipping out of the shadows, the feel of cool obsidian from his sharp, chipped dagger at your throat, the skinny assassin tells you, in sirihish:
   "i never thought i'd get you in this position, luka. but now you are mine and i'm going to kill you... dead."

has much less effect than:
Slipping out of the shadows, the feel of cool obsidian from his sharp, chipped dagger at your throat, the skinny assassin tells you, in sirihish:
   "I never thought I'd get you in this position, Lka. But now you are mine and I'm going to kill you... dead."

Poor use of grammar seems to take away from my roleplaying experience.  Maybe I need to go back to bed.

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« Reply #1 on: June 28, 2003, 07:37:58 PM »
well I disagree about the use of punctuation as being that big

I often forget to use periods though. Ill kick myself in the ass to try and remember more though. :)
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« Reply #2 on: June 28, 2003, 07:40:36 PM »
It's jarring to me as well, whoever you are.

I don't consider it "bad" roleplaying, but I do consider it "bad" writing. And since this game is text-based, it most certainly detracts from my reading enjoyment. It tells me that the other player doesn't really care all that much how he presents himself.  So why should I go out of my way for him, if he's not going out of his way for me? The only answer that saves the day is that -I- am better than that, and -I- will not lower myself to be lazy in my presentation.

Call me a snob - the shoe fits perfectly. And frankly I'd rather be a snob than someone who is capable of pressing the correct keys on the keyboard but is too lazy to bother.

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« Reply #3 on: June 28, 2003, 07:42:38 PM »
you are a snob




/\ look, no puntuation /\


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« Reply #4 on: June 28, 2003, 07:46:03 PM »
I agree with Bestatte.  There's times that I mistype or misspell things, but I always put forth an effort to communicate as clearly as possible.
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« Reply #5 on: June 28, 2003, 08:19:15 PM »
It's not the end of the world. It's not worth kicking yourself for if you forget. It is however, worth the effort to try to keep it to a minimum.  It's kind of like wearing pants that don't quite fit. It doesn't make you less of a person, but you make less of a first impression. Just do the best you can. But do the best you can.
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« Reply #6 on: June 28, 2003, 10:59:24 PM »
As people have pointed out... Again, and again, and again. :-p I'm not the best at using grammar or anything like that. I even misspell words from time to time, but simple use of capitalization I normally am able to figure out. It's not a BIG deal for something to slip from now and again, but I'll certainly go out of my way to avoid someone who never uses caps or puncuation, since they are going out of their way to be lazy. Normally I have NO problem with poor grammar or poor spelling. I don't even notice it most the time, with my own stuff, I just correct things when I read.

Pretty sure I've said this before, but I've spent LONG times in English with a teacher asking, "Whats wrong with this sentance?" "Nothing." "Read it out loud." *Reads it out the way it should be* "Yes, now why didn't you write it that way?" "I did." "No, you didn't." "YES, I did." "Reread it. This time VERY slowly." "Oh..." "Yeah." "My bad. I'll fix that." "You do that."



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« Reply #7 on: June 28, 2003, 11:56:47 PM »
While grammer is indicitive oft times of the actual thought process behind the playing of the character, there is no way that i will equate poor spelling and English with a bad roleplayer. One -should- try to conduct themselves in a realistic manner, and -sometimes-, no caps and no punc can be an indication of a style of speaking.

Monotone: say (shrugging shortly) and?

Accent: tell girl (looking both ways before speaking) are You bein followed

Then of course, there are just those who suck at English due in heritage and lack of scholling or practice. They are still here to roleplay, or they would never have dealt with the app system, nor would they coninue to return...

Perhaps the best thing to say is this. -Try_ to spell and puncuate correctly, but if you simply lack the ability to do so or have an IC reason to continue, fuck them all and keep playing.
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« Reply #8 on: June 29, 2003, 12:38:54 AM »
"So, you keep sending me your questions, and I will keep mocking your punctuation and spelling... I mean, answer them..."
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« Reply #9 on: June 29, 2003, 01:55:41 AM »
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While grammer is indicitive oft times of the actual thought process behind the playing of the character, there is no way that i will equate poor spelling and English with a bad roleplayer. One -should- try to conduct themselves in a realistic manner, and -sometimes-, no caps and no punc can be an indication of a style of speaking.

Monotone: say (shrugging shortly) and?

Accent: tell girl (looking both ways before speaking) are You bein followed


Acctaully I disagree... Even if throwing in caps or something to get variant things... You should still do normal capitialization and punctuation. And certainly should do it in your emotes and in your look/say mods. Those have nothing to do with accents or speech modifiers. It's understandable not to be that great at English. Even though most people that have English as a second langauge are better at it technically then English speaking people... But when there doesn't appear to be the slightest attempt... And it's bad all the way through... Now I won't really GO after the person(Like people were going after me for awhile :-p) but I well tend to drift away from them. It's kind of the same thing that someone thats a really good RP draws people to them, various things push people away. It's not a big deal... But it can get to be rather repulsive.

Then again, I've never ran into people having this problem... Even though people are always posting on the GDB with no caps and no punc... Hardly never see it that bad in the game... Where are you losers at? Must be in the north.


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« Reply #10 on: June 29, 2003, 02:35:42 AM »
Early on in my mudding here, I actually received a staff comment telling me to use capitalization, and I have since! So I dont think there is really any room for discussion as far as the staff is concerned, you should capitalize.

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« Reply #11 on: June 29, 2003, 04:45:28 PM »
Not capitalizing and using punctuation is just shooting yourself in the foot.  These things are in the English language for a reason.  Capital letters do a great deal make text more readable.  Punctuation is even more essential, as it conveys a great deal of meaning about how exactly something is being said.  Without these two things, you are making it much harder for people to hear your character’s voice the way you want them to hear it.

You play the game for years without using punctuation or capitalization and you might never have someone directly comment upon it.  That said, I can absolutely guarantee that people notice, it effects how much someone is willing to interact with you, and that people will certainly consider you less mature/intelligent/skillful because of it.  If two people say the same thing, and one guy uses punctuation or capitalization and the other doesn’t, the guy who used it going to be the one I am more willing to bend over backward to incorporate into my RP.

So, do what you will, just realize that you are without a doubt shooting yourself in the foot for not bothering with those few extra keystrokes.

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« Reply #12 on: June 30, 2003, 04:16:43 PM »
When I first began playing, my husband the grammar nazi told me that I should definitely use proper punctuation and capitalization, so ever since then I have been.  I mean, using capitalization when addressing one of noble birth definitely denotes that you are being respectful toward them, which enhances your roleplay.  Punctuation will let others know if you're asking a question, making a statement, or raising your voice.  I've RPed with people who don't use punctuation and sometimes it's difficult to discern their mood or intentions.  I guess what I'm trying to say is that capitalization and punctuation give the RP a much more vivid feel.

Plus, this isn't a freakin' AOL chatroom!  (Sorry, I have issues with aoHELL.)
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« Reply #13 on: July 01, 2003, 05:53:32 AM »
Right, the only thing I have to add is that some sentences/phrases would have different meaning based on the punctuation.

Without punctuation:
when are we going

With:
When?  Are we going?
When are we going?

Granted, the difference is subtle, but the difference in punctuation DOES change the meaning of the sentence.  Think about it.

Reiterating what others have said, proper spelling/punctuation/capitalization in emotes should be mandatory, excepting of course for typos.

Misspellings, IMHO, caused by the typer not knowing how to spell the word correctly usually means the person is trying to use a bigger word than is necessary...don't try to impress us.  By failing, you've done the opposite.  There is also an easily accessible dictionary site at http://www.dictionary.com that will help you if you still want to use big words.

Also, what others have said about not using punctuation in emotes, it shows that you're being lazy...I don't want to RP with someone that doesn't appear to be putting effort into the RP.

In a character's speach, use punctuation that shows how your character is speaking, because without it, all we can see is a monotone.  If that's how your character speaks, do something to make sure we know this...

> say (in a monotone) I'm still alive but may not be tomorrow.

I'd find that acceptable, but "i'm still alive..." goes back to the lazy issue.

Okay...I'm done ranting for now.
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« Reply #14 on: July 01, 2003, 06:25:09 AM »
Here's an example of the profound effect a single-word response lacking punctuation can have on a plotline:

The setting: another game where RP is encouraged, not required, and where "dueling" is considered a way to relieve boredom.

The location: a boulder near a bunch of hobgoblins

The players: A, B, C, and half a dozen witnesses.

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A says: "who wants 2 dule"

B points to C.

C is reading a porn site and not watching the screen at this particular moment.

A says: "ok u dule w/me, we start on the count of 3"

B cackles!

C says: "yes"

A says: "1"
A says: "2"
A says: "3"

A kills C.

The body of C says "WTF!"

A says "u said yes"

The body of C says "B pointed at me i wuz askin wut he wanted"

A says "nuh uh u said yes like u was sayin ok lets rock"

The body of C wails!


And so ends the latest tragic event in the life of C, who wouldn't have lost a favor to the Death Goddess if only he had used punctuation.

Edited to add: This little scene ACTUALLY HAPPENED in that game, and produced a multi-page thread on one of the unofficial forums for players, resulting in a flame war between the "u no wut i mean i dont have 2 use teh puntuashun" types and the "Say it like you mean it, or STFU you moron!" types.

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« Reply #15 on: July 01, 2003, 06:31:10 AM »
If he was looking at a porn site he'd hardly of used punctuation if he normally did  :P
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« Reply #16 on: July 01, 2003, 02:01:34 PM »
Bestatte, that's some of the funniest shit I've seen in a while.
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« Reply #17 on: July 01, 2003, 03:53:22 PM »
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There is also an easily accessible dictionary site at http://www.dictionary.com that will help you if you still want to use big words.
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In a character's speach...


Or small ones?   :lol:
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« Reply #18 on: July 01, 2003, 05:44:25 PM »
Er...d'oh.
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« Reply #19 on: July 03, 2003, 12:23:10 AM »
Bestatte, was that game by any chance Grendel's Revenge? It kinda seemed like it.

And by the way, if any of you ever wonder why we play Armageddon, spend five minutes playing Grendels' Revenge. You'll be reminded. Everytime I see 'roleplay encouraged' on that Skotos site I just -LAUGH-!
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« Reply #20 on: July 03, 2003, 12:21:28 PM »
I am a poor speller so my opinion is Bias, but sometimes I want to get my next line in so quickly that I don't always punctuate.

It's just that sometimes my conversations are that exciting. I don't mean it to be bad role-play. I am just in a hurry to see what that person will say next. I try to proof read but I can definitely get a bit trigger happy with my enter button during conversations with others.

When I'm in solo role-play I try to make my sentences as letter perfect as possible. Just cause I have all that free time.

Personally if the punctuation is effecting what you have to say, than yes I think it is a big deal, for example:

Shaking your head, brow slightly furrowed, you say to the egotistical templar;
What's that you said! You want me to kill you!

Shaking your head, brow slightly furrowed, you say to the egotistical templar;
What you want me to kill you

Shaking your head, brow slightly furrowed, you say to the egotistical templar;
What's that you said? You want me to kill you?

In this type of scenario a question mark could save your life. But when it's just a lowercase letter in the front of a sentence or not putting a coma above a the t in it's, I think that’s just a bit anal. The player base is small enough with it being a savage wasteland and all. I think we can do without all the spelling bee champs and punctuation nazis chastising us.
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« Reply #21 on: July 03, 2003, 12:44:36 PM »
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In this type of scenario a question mark could save your life. But when it's just a lowercase letter in the front of a sentence or not putting a coma above a the t in it's, I think that’s just a bit anal. The player base is small enough with it being a savage wasteland and all. I think we can do without all the spelling bee champs and punctuation Nazis chastising us.


No one is being a Nazi about anything.  My spelling is pretty piss poor as well.  I run everything through a spell checker before I post.  In game I am sure I mangle some words when I am typing quickly.  I also certainly have missed punctuation when I was typing in a hurry.  

That said, call it being a Nazi all you want, people will judge you on your punctuation and capitalization.  There is absolute no doubt in my mind that guy who hits the two extra keys it takes to put capitalize their first letter and hit a period of their last word are far more likely to be given the benefit of the doubt then someone who feels those two extra key strokes are not needed.  Its not hard, it takes two more key strokes, and it does a great deal to make you look more mature.

Armageddon has a very strong stigma against being a d00d, or even an AIM bitch.  You will never see someone see ‘l8r’, or ask ‘how r u’, even though we all know very well exactly what those means.  It isn’t that people wouldn’t understand, it just isn’t nice to look at, it isn’t as clear, it looks out of line with the rest of the game, and most of all it just makes you look immature.  A little capitalization and punctuation goes a long way to make what you say look like it is apart of the game.  Everything else in the game bothers with those two extra keys.  It stands out like a sore thumb when a player decides he doesn’t want to bother with it, despite every other aspect of the game adhering to capitalization and punctuation.  

Fair or not, people will judge you.  It is like when your mother who still doesn’t fully understand e-mail sends you an e-mail in all capital letters.  You can tell just by looking at it that she probably just barely understands what she is doing.  You make a judgment, fairly or unfairly about that person.

Now, is judging someone on something so small fair?  Probably not.  Is it going to happen regardless if it is fair?  Absolutely.  If I the choice of RPing with one person or another, and there is no strongly compelling reason to pick one over the other, the guy who bothers to punctuate his sentences and hit the shift key before typing his first letter is going to win my attention every time.

Simply put, you can do whatever you please in terms of capitalization and punctuation.  It isn’t going to hurt me any.  In all likelihood no one will ever even mention it in game.  That said, I can promise with absolute certainty that you are shooting yourself in the foot with that decision.  Take the advice or don’t.  You are only hurting yourself.

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« Reply #22 on: July 03, 2003, 02:07:03 PM »
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But when it's just a lowercase letter in the front of a sentence or not putting a coma above a the t in it's, I think that’s just a bit anal. The player base is small enough with it being a savage wasteland and all. I think we can do without all the spelling bee champs and punctuation nazis chastising us.

Actually, if we wanted to be nazi's about it, we'd be correcting you...hell, we'd be correcting Rindan too. :wink: Noone's perfect, and a mistake here or there isn't going to make anyone hate you or avoid you like the plague.  I mean, I know that I've mad mistakes.  It's when someone doesn't bother with capitalization and punctuation at all that others will judge them as being lazy.  If that's what you do, people will judge you that way, as Rindan said...simple as that.  If you want to show that you're putting effort into the RP, into bringing the world alive around you, you'll need to put effort into something as simple as your typing.  Noone's expecting you to have perfect spelling, perfect grammar and know exactly how to punctuate...we just want to see that you're putting effort into doing it as best you can.
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« Reply #23 on: July 03, 2003, 02:26:50 PM »
First, capitalization and punctuation are important. Personally, I have gone as far as switching to client with spell check (if you're a poor speller, you'd love simplemu.) In general, posts telling people that these things are important are useful.

However, I think people need to examine what they want to come from these admonitions. Do you want the intended audience to begin working on their grammar? Or, do you just want to feel superior?

In this matter, and in most areas where criticism is involved, it is possible to point out the problem and suggest improvements without belittling anyone. Not only does the criticizer look far classier, but also the intended audience is more likely to be receptive.
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« Reply #24 on: July 03, 2003, 02:29:13 PM »
Well someone brought up Nazis. BZZZZZZT, you lose, d00d. Them's the rules. Bring up that idea and you are disqualified and any further opinions coming from your fingertips are considered nul and void. Look it up, it's an actual rule of discourse.

And now I'll address the "just chill out, d00d" attitude in general:

First of all, I am literate. I disgusts me to know that so many adults, or near-adults, can't manage to put together a simple sentence. I am not a Hemingway, or a Tennyson, or a Norman Lear. I'm just a housewife who somehow managed to pay attention during grammar school when they were teaching us phonics, grammar, punctuation, and spelling. I was no genius, and since I have ADD, my IQ test score was piss-poor. I couldn't keep focused on the questions long enough to bother trying to answer them correctly, so I winged it. It's a wonder I got any of the answers right.

But somehow, through the hustle and bustle of Four-Square, Kick-ball, and learning that Columbus did -not- actually discover America, I found the long journey through school passed from grade to grade. This, when in second grade I was considered "slow" and had to go to speech therapy because I stuttered and lisped when I was asked to read aloud.

My point, is that it doesn't take a genius to figure out that the little bitty dot on the lower row of the keyboard, two left of the shift key, is a period. And it takes even less intelligence to figure out what you're supposed to do with it.

There's a game on the internet run and coded by a guy who uses a headset to type because he is a quadriplegic. That's right - no use of any part of his body below the neck. No use of his hands, and yet he manages to get that adorable little period to show up at the end of his sentences. And not once does he say "well it's too hard for me," or "who cares, really?"

So screw y'all who think that it's just a widdie biddie too much work for you. There are people in much more difficult situations who do a hell of a lot better than you, and it's those who put forth the effort that I want to be associated with.

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« Reply #25 on: July 03, 2003, 02:41:04 PM »
Rindan

I'm not saying it's ok to start using text message lingo, I just think it's a rant that presents itself all too much on the GMB.  How often does it really occur, and how bad? If I am trying to have a conversation with someone and the conversation is really interesting ICly, I'm not going to avoid them in the future for a spelling error or an uncapitalzed i here and there. I am guilty of it just as much as the next guy.  I have yet to run into someone who uses no punctuation, has a monotone character and can’t spell. If I did, I would probably say something to them OOC on the spot.

I think it goes without saying that most people want there character to be as animated as possible. Clearly when you add emoting as well as proper grammar to what you say it makes your character all the more appealing to talk to.

But if there are two guys in a room and one has great grammar and the other is kind of sucky, I’m going to talk to both and use the best most descriptive writing I can think of. I might make it a point to make sure that I have no typing or grammatical errors instead of focusing on keeping the pace of the conversation (which I tend to do.) Maybe it will prompt the terrible writer to be more careful with typing and realize that it makes the game play more appealing. Maybe that person is a newbie and is already feeling slightly dwarfed by some of the amazing RP that goes on in the game. :D

 I will not however avoid someone because of it. I think that is terribly OOC :x , unless your character would choose not to talk to that person for some reason ICly. Moreover I see that type of behavior towards another persons character making the persons RP even worse and eventually they will not want to play the game.  :x

I have to think that the main focus should be the RP and not your grammar and frankly there aren’t that many people around to be getting all picky about it. Sure if their grammar is so bad it makes what they are saying hard to understand it has an impact of the conversation and your enjoyment of the game. But then speak up and tell them in the game and be polite about it, :) then make the effort to continue talking to them. Promoting good writing in game is better than just complaining about it here. :D

I for the most part I would rather talk to someone who has a problem with capital letters rather than someone who’s accent equivalent to that of a Pikey. At least then you have an IC reason not to talk to them.

Then you’ll have the time to turn to the hopelessly lost NB on the bar stool next to you and say “I would answer that guy over there, but I can’t understand a Feckin’ word he says.
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« Reply #26 on: July 03, 2003, 02:46:52 PM »
Travel Cake makes some very good points - there are ways to politely direct people towards what you consider to be preferable behavior without being beligerent.

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« Reply #27 on: July 03, 2003, 03:06:22 PM »
I agree with both Travel Cake and Cerebus..however there are those who will claim "dood its just a game chill out"

It is those people I addressed in my previous post. The ones who absolutely positively refuse to accept the fact that they are presenting their roleplay via a text-based medium, and that presentation -is- everything.

Without presentation, we'd just be another hack and slash. When you make your presentation attractive, you will draw others whose presentations are also attractive. Or - you will draw those who would LIKE to learn to spiff up their own presentation. In those cases, it's all good.

But when you're RPing in the game and the only PC around at the moment is some guy who has -no desire- to make his presentation worth looking at, then he has no right to complain when I...don't look.

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'C'apitalization and punctuation pet peeve?
« Reply #28 on: July 03, 2003, 04:39:59 PM »
Travel Cake, Cerebus...I understand, and I'm not trying to be belligerant.  I'm just trying to explain what the problem is and why it's a problem.

To address a few things...

Travel Cake, my problem is with people being lazy...it's not something that I can fix for them.  They have to fix it for themselves and put forth the effort.  The only improvement that I can suggest, and have, is to put forth the effort to get spelling and punctuation as correct as possible with minor errors understood.  I'm not trying to boost my own ego and sound superior.  I understand that I have an advantage over quite a few due to the education that I've received in the area, but I'm just asking everyone to try to do their best.  I'm not saying anyone has to be perfect.

sarahjc, I'm not saying that I'm going to avoid someone that has bad spelling and punctuation, but I'm also not going to go out of my way to RP with them and will choose to RP with someone that is putting the effort into their spelling and puncuation if there is such a person around.

However, to be fair, Bestatte, the person that originally brought up Nazis was on the side of those of us advocating correct spelling and punctuation and was also directly referring to me.  She knows me IRL and calls me a grammar nazi there as well.  Of course, noone else would know this, and could have just picked up the term and ran with it since it was already being used.
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'C'apitalization and punctuation pet peeve?
« Reply #29 on: July 03, 2003, 07:16:14 PM »
This is addressed to Sarahjc...

It seems like you're worried about people putting down others for making an occasional spelling or grammar error.

Everyone makes mistakes. Espicially me... Trust me. Anyways, I believe the issue being discussed here are people who don't even attempt to punctuate and capitilize their sentences correctly. Look, I probably spelled plenty wrong in the last sentence alone. But the point is, I use periods, commas, and a pretty little capital letter at the start of my sentence. It's perfectly understandable if some one, in game, says something like;
The blue dwarf says, in sirihish:
"what a nice day. Perhaps we can go scrab hunting later?"

He didn't capitilize the first sentence... But that's okay. We can tell, from other sentences and past expierences, that the player understands the basic rules of capitilization and punctuation, so there is no need to grill him on this minor slip up. However, if he said something similar too...
The blue dwarf says, in sirihish:
"nice day lets go scrab hunting later on ok"

...Then it's a different story. The former is no big deal, but the latter is something that really needs correction.

That's my opinion, and probably the opinion of many others, I'd assume. Anyone that has a problem with the occasional grammatical, spelling, or punctuation slip-up should be slapped. There. I said it.
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'C'apitalization and punctuation pet peeve?
« Reply #30 on: July 04, 2003, 08:52:24 AM »
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It's not so much that I think that they are being picked on, more so that people complain about it over and over to the same people on this board.

They say things like

“I’ll choose to RP with someone else rather than talk to that lazy person who doesn’t use proper grammar or punctuation.”
Or
“You are shooting yourself in the foot.”

 As far as I’m concerned it’s them who are shooting the game in foot.  I say fix the problem, don’t complain here. If the grammar is that bad that it is ruining your RP experience, say something to that person when the situation happens. Don’t choose not to talk to them. How is that helping? And how is it even IC?

And the reason I wrote this was because the first post said:

Lately I have noticed that when there is a very decent role-player and he or she does not use capital letters or proper punctuation it bothers me.

I don't think I expect a person to have perfect grammar, I think that's unrealistic for Armageddon since frequently we shorten words or make them up. I just sincerely wish people would capitalize the beginning of a sentence and the letter 'I'.

And then the ranting began…..

Very Decent role play and a few capital letters missing. If it is that big of a bother to you tell the other person. What is the worst that can happen? They start to make more of an effort… Ohh….

But for those complaining about the occasional period missing or the quickly written sentence missing the capitalization require that you will probably see every 10 lines or so….. Well, you’re like that guy that comes into work every morning at seven 7am and is secretly pissed when everyone else strolls in around 9am and they don’t care nor notice that you put in extra hours. When your writing down everything your supposed to say, do, think and feel…. your probably going to make a few mistakes.

Get over it.
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'C'apitalization and punctuation pet peeve?
« Reply #31 on: July 04, 2003, 01:44:57 PM »
Well... You say that you should still RP with it because it's not IC. Well, I come here to play. I don't even talk to people on the internet that type without caps or puncuation. I think it looks childish. It's hard to read, and I'm not going to put my effort to talk with someone who's not going to put even the SLIGHTEST effort into typing.

It's even worse on the MUD. I understand the slip up from time to time. But if your slipping up constantly, rather from typing to quickly, or just plain lazyness. YES, I well avoid you. That doesn't mean if I have to deal with you IC I won't, but I'm not going to SEEK out the person. It's common to seek out good RPers to play with to get more enjoyment. Basic understanding of capitilization and puncuation is necessarry to me. End of statement.

Reasons I don't mention it straight to a person... One, I don't feel comfortable doing it. It's not my place to correct people. Two, when you do that sort of thing, the person is far more likely to feel insulted and get bitchy with you then anything change. Three, it's most likely other people that are around well also jump on me, saying it's their role and they can type however they want. No, I'd prefer the easiest way, is not dealing with them unless I have to.

May not help much... But *I* shouldn't have to put MORE effort into getting someone to put in SOME effort. If you have this problem because you are typing to fast. Slow the fuck down. I'd prefer to wait instead of constantly seeing something that looks like a five year old who's in a hurry. If you just don't know where to put a capital or puncuation? Probably should learn or not communicate through textual means. What consists of constantly? Anything that isn't just a slip up here or there. Even one out of ten can be getting alittle crazy.

Now, grammar or spelling I don't mind as much because, you know, I'm not that great... And it could be just how THAT character says something. But there STILL should be basic capitalization and such, NO IC excuse, or OOC excuse for that matter, to be lacking it. It makes things SO MUCH easier to read it's not even funny.


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'C'apitalization and punctuation pet peeve?
« Reply #32 on: July 04, 2003, 03:12:49 PM »
Quote from: "sarahjc"
Very Decent role play and a few capital letters missing. If it is that big of a bother to you tell the other person. What is the worst that can happen? They start to make more of an effort… Ohh…


Sorry, that's not something I want to do.  Every time I've seen someone corrected for anything in OOCs (including one time when I did it) it turns into a protracted back and forth and ends up with no good feelings on either side.  And heaven forbid if there are other people in the room, that just adds to the volume of OOCing.

Nope, sorry.  Not gonna do it.  Even if it was worth the hassle, the "corrected" party usually doesn't change their mind about how they do things, anyway.

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But for those complaining about the occasional period missing or the quickly written sentence missing the capitalization require that you will probably see every 10 lines or so….. Well, you’re like that guy that comes into work every morning at seven 7am and is secretly pissed when everyone else strolls in around 9am and they don’t care nor notice that you put in extra hours. When your writing down everything your supposed to say, do, think and feel…. your probably going to make a few mistakes.

Get over it.


Uh, no.  First of all, the original poster, and I think most people that have posted in support, aren't talking about occasional slips.  They're talking about people who constantly and as regular practice fail to put forth any effort whatsoever.

That would be more like an office full of people who arrive every day promptly at 9 am, giving dirty looks to the guy who always comes in whenever he feels like it, whether it's 9 or 10 or noon or not at all.
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