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General => World Discussion => Topic started by: Fernandezj on January 08, 2018, 09:46:33 PM

Title: Mount Size Comparison
Post by: Fernandezj on January 08, 2018, 09:46:33 PM
Is there a diagram, or documentation, on mounts and their relative size somewhere?

There are only helpfiles on certain animals, and when you view mounts in the stable there are no ways to know actual sizes, and some of the descriptions are vague or size-immaterial.

The race page: http://armageddon.org/help/view/Races has a nice chart that shows relative sizes between races.

Is there something similar for animals? To say... show the difference between an erdlu, beetle, sunback, inix, ox, etc?
Title: Re: Mount Size Comparison
Post by: Namino on January 08, 2018, 09:49:18 PM
(http://www.pathguy.com/athasian_carriers.jpg)

Though this is from the reference material for what inspired Arm, not Arm itself.
Title: Re: Mount Size Comparison
Post by: Fernandezj on January 08, 2018, 09:54:29 PM
I think only two of those are in the game, and I didn't realize one was even a mount. But thanks for the help with inix  ;D
Title: Re: Mount Size Comparison
Post by: Namino on January 08, 2018, 09:56:34 PM
I think only two of those are in the game, and I didn't realize one was even a mount. But thanks for the help with inix  ;D

RIP Kanks, gone but not forgotten.
Title: Re: Mount Size Comparison
Post by: nauta on January 08, 2018, 10:21:28 PM
Again, this is Dark Sun material, but:

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-75HPdQ9Iwpc/VJn5h_PKpvI/AAAAAAAAApg/wJnDMW4pcRU/s1600/f_DMI_08_Gerard-Brom_Dune-Trader.jpg)

Erdlu.

Oxen are the same as in RL.  I've taken Sunbacks to be pint-sized inix.  The war beetles I think are about kank-sized, or maybe the size of this guy from the world cup:

(http://adventofdeception.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/dung-bettle-2.jpg)
Title: Re: Mount Size Comparison
Post by: infinitehope on March 22, 2018, 04:33:43 PM
idk, I feel as inix and war beetles would be much bigger than that on the picture.

Remember, half giants are like what, 14-18 feet tall? they'd have to be bigger to support that kind of weight.
Title: Re: Mount Size Comparison
Post by: Hauwke on March 22, 2018, 05:19:09 PM
A perfectly middle-height HG is 12 feet tall.
Title: Re: Mount Size Comparison
Post by: Fernandezj on March 22, 2018, 08:44:03 PM
(http://armageddon.org/images/biscuits_racechart.jpg)

Not sure on the height, but this was taken from the helpfile.

I wish we had an artist amongst the players do draw up a mount one.
Title: Re: Mount Size Comparison
Post by: BadSkeelz on March 22, 2018, 09:34:10 PM
I always pictured inix about this size:

(https://i.imgur.com/L6uEv2H.png)
Source: Endless Legend

For war beetles, this guy's art is about spot-on for me:

https://img00.deviantart.net/8634/i/2012/051/8/3/beetle_rider_by_corbergh-d4qgj1z.jpg
https://corbergh.deviantart.com/art/beetle-rider-286305911

https://pre00.deviantart.net/2173/th/pre/f/2013/274/4/2/rider_concept2_by_corbergh-d6owaty.jpg
https://corbergh.deviantart.com/art/Rider-Concept2-404614870
Title: Re: Mount Size Comparison
Post by: Eyeball on March 23, 2018, 12:13:09 PM
(http://armageddon.org/images/biscuits_racechart.jpg)

Not sure on the height, but this was taken from the helpfile.

I wish we had an artist amongst the players do draw up a mount one.

I've always pictured half-giants to be much broader around the mid section, and with coarser facial features.
Title: Re: Mount Size Comparison
Post by: Hauwke on March 23, 2018, 04:52:40 PM
I think the helpfile for them, says they actually have standard human appearances, its just that over the years with people always deciding that their half-giant needs a keyword like dumpy or something, that people have got it in their head-canon.
Title: Re: Mount Size Comparison
Post by: Fernandezj on March 23, 2018, 08:52:17 PM
Yes, not to derail my own topic, but I noticed the same thing.

They make them appear like cave-man-esque in appearance, because as a matter of practice, people have a poorer time acting out "dim" then having it immediately reflected in a trope-like appearance of a character from "Of Mice and Men".

A big variety of half-giants in game appear like the dumb ogre/troll/broad-featured dummy type and have vaguely onomatopoeia or adjective-derivative names like: Dopey, Sneezy, Bashful, Doc, Happy, Grumpy, and Sleepy - etc.
Title: Re: Mount Size Comparison
Post by: Tho on March 24, 2018, 07:51:14 AM
They make them appear like cave-man-esque in appearance, because as a matter of practice, people have a poorer time acting out "dim" then having it immediately reflected in a trope-like appearance of a character from "Of Mice and Men".

A big variety of half-giants in game appear like the dumb ogre/troll/broad-featured dummy type and have vaguely onomatopoeia or adjective-derivative names like: Dopey, Sneezy, Bashful, Doc, Happy, Grumpy, and Sleepy - etc.

I'm not sure what you mean by cave man-esque features exactly, but if we take a look at the Half-Giants (http://armageddon.org/help/view/half-giants) helpfile, it states "... Half-giants appear much like a human, but with highly exaggerated features,..." So half-giants with dumb ogre-like or caricatural features should be in line with the documentation.

Going back to the topic at hand, Oxen are probably the same size as those found in real life, as nauta's mentioned.

(https://pre00.deviantart.net/295d/th/pre/f/2014/233/a/1/rider_by_jamajurabaev-d7w4k4d.jpg)

Sunback lizards "appear to be... cousins of the raptors", according to the helpfile. I've always imagined them to be somewhere about this size:

(https://instagram.fmnl3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/vp/bdf3f910953abeb927fa46d37ca3ed7f/5B3EB6B1/t51.2885-15/e35/15258735_183960018736046_5104151400992997376_n.jpg)

...while inix, I've always pictured to be similar to below, size-wize. While bigger than half-giants, an inix will still face 'duress' when supporting a half-giant.

(https://pre00.deviantart.net/23dd/th/pre/i/2017/354/1/a/komodo_rider_by_gavinodonnell-dbxaia8.jpg)

I think you're right about the help files. Putting down the average weight/height of each mount in the help files would be a nice addition, if only so it's clear just how much bigger an inix, per se, is -- compared to a PC.
Title: Re: Mount Size Comparison
Post by: nauta on March 24, 2018, 07:58:28 AM
I wish we had an artist amongst the players do draw up a mount one.

We have had some of the mounts depicted over the years in http://www.armageddon.org/original/type/Artwork

(http://new.armageddon.org/original/artwork/599.jpg)

(http://new.armageddon.org/original/artwork/390.JPG)

(http://new.armageddon.org/original/artwork/317.jpg)

Title: Re: Mount Size Comparison
Post by: Delirium on March 24, 2018, 01:00:22 PM
Actually, that last one was concept art for Armageddon 2.0 and it never made it into the game.
Title: Re: Mount Size Comparison
Post by: perfecto on March 25, 2018, 08:42:18 AM
Actually, that last one was concept art for Armageddon 2.0 and it never made it into the game.

I was gonna say...  The figure in hooded purple cloak, riding a pissed off, broken clawed scrab who is carrying a worn leather satchel.
= My new dwarf focus


Back to the question at hand, Inix imop have always been larger than wagons.  I mean there are wagons in game drawn by a team of inix.  So that could be anywhere from 4 - 11 Inix, depending on what game they're playing. ::)