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Title: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
Post by: Cayuga on August 08, 2016, 08:55:05 PM
Today I bring to you, fair players of Armageddon a new GDB post type called, 'In Focus,' that I hope to be posting once monthly. Below, you will find a help file that can be illustrated well via imagery to describe what is contained therein. I hope that this discussion and visual stimuli assists in everyone's play and that maybe newbies and veterans alike can learn something from reading (or rereading!) helpfiles and documentation pertinent to the gameworld at large. So, without further ado, here is our first session:

Allanaki Fashions

Allanak is a rigidly traditional society, and this has affected the city's trends in fashion throughout the years. For example, the modesty of one's attire is considered before comfort, despite the high temperatures citizens must deal with daily. Even among nobility, style is the priority. While the body may be covered almost entirely, Allanaki fashion can nonetheless be provocative. Less bare flesh, yet more of the wearer's figure, is revealed. Hemlines are low and collars are high. Arms are sometimes left bare, though the lower a garment's neckline, the longer the sleeves.
Even among nobility, comfort is sacrificed for frivolity and whimsy. In fact, the more radical and hindering the style, the more successful its reception. For example, shoes that one could not possibly walk in demonstrate that a noble has sufficient resources for a carriage or palanquin. Likewise, sleeves whose cuffs extend past the fingertips do little to inconvenience someone accustomed to having all tasks performed by one's servants.

Despite the strong southern emphasis on modesty amongst commoners and flamboyancy amongst nobility, the intense heat of the desert is omnipresent, and concessions are necessary. Both nobles and commoners are equal in their struggle to stay as cool as possible. To this end, loosely woven and light fabrics worn in layers are utilized as daily wear to ward off the worst of the sun and sands. Many types of overgarments are worn in long layers, protecting the flesh from the harsh rays of sunlight and the pervasive heat.

Commoners often look to nobility for examples in most aspects of life, and fashion is no exception. The styles of commoner clothing available, while simpler and cheaper, often imitate that of nobles. For example, while nobles often wear ornately decorated silks and other lush fabrics, commoners wear cottons, sandcloth or other inexpensive textiles. Another difference in commoner attire is that it tends to be looser, more comfortable, and less hindering, in order to be practical for everyday use.

Some clothes unique to Allanak include wrapped pants, long tunics, kalasiris, long kilts, and many types of over-garbs, often worn in layers, are also commonly seen in the South. Green, particularly pale green, is generally considered an unlucky color, due to its associations with sorcery, and blue is perceived as a particularly somber color, associated with mourning and tears. Leatherwear is thought somewhat lower class, reserved for guards, hunters and other common military types.

While the weather on Zalanthas is consistently hot and sandy all year round, fashion has its seasons. Frequently, the Kadian shops will change their selections in response to an event or whim. One month, purple might be the rage and the next everyone must have blue. However, the one staple of the Allanaki wardrobe is the color white. Trims may change, and colors may go in and out of style, but white is always in fashion.

(http://allrandomthoughts.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/one_shoulder_gown_w_pleats.png)
(A commoner's loose kalasiri.]

(http://www.ew.com/sites/default/files/i/2013/08/19/CATCHING-FIRE-Capitol-Couture.jpg)
(An Allanaki neckline.)

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/e6/be/ff/e6beff40de4e0e5e0fd71c9f3ea2b3a7.jpg)
(Kilt, long tunic that we'll pretend isn't actually wool.)

(https://www.jovani.com/image/cache/catalog/products/evening_dresses_50/28716_1-660x990.jpg)
(An example of, "the lower the neckline, the longer the sleeves.)

(http://style2designer.com/wp-content/uploads/kimono-full-sleeve.jpg)
(Another example of, 'the lower the neckline, the longer the sleeves,' it is as well bordering on scandalous. This also exemplifies the impracticality of a noble's garb.)

(http://66.media.tumblr.com/4c107a7e8a060665af7fd6bfcaba227f/tumblr_mn4qv6HyTF1r5j7lno1_500.jpg)
(The Oashi lord is looking mighty dapper for the upcoming festival in his layers.)

(http://66.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0c0ydmwV31rp9ihdo1_1280.jpg)
(A Fale woman's shoes. She lifted her hem, to much controversy, to display the absurd footwear she couldn't possibly tread the path to the Arboretum in.)

(http://www.blackbride.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Vlisco-Gallery-of-Poems-Nov-2010-Bella-Naija008-475x600.jpg)
(This Borsail woman had to have a modest neckline and hem, but she wanted to replicate her sixteenth nameday's cake in dress form. Kadius provided well!)

(http://selectiveclothing.net/image/catalog/Men/1400439468457-P-1721743.jpg)
(Wrap pants!)

(http://www.themarysue.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/peeta-capitol-portrait-371x550.jpg)
(White layers are always in fashion. And the soles of those shoes are thick enough to add too much of a burden to walk around. Get a palanquin, ya noble.)

What do *you* think of, when you think of Allanaki fashion?
Title: Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
Post by: Barsook on August 08, 2016, 09:06:21 PM
Thank you for this!
Title: Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
Post by: BadSkeelz on August 08, 2016, 09:08:24 PM
Thank you for this!

+1

Incidentally could we make sufficiently ornate dresses have a penalty to flee and defense?
Title: Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
Post by: Cayuga on August 08, 2016, 09:25:30 PM
Thank you for this!

+1

Incidentally could we make sufficiently ornate dresses have a penalty to flee and defense?

"Idea," works better than GDB posts. :)
Title: Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
Post by: TheWanderer on August 08, 2016, 09:28:13 PM
To be completely honest, it's always felt like black was more of a staple trim of the Black City. My memories tend to bleed together, but white doesn't seem like it's been out in abundance over the years (I'm sure accounts of this vary).

I do have the sudden urge to dress my characters in white from now on, though. So... kudos.
Title: Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
Post by: Cayuga on August 08, 2016, 09:39:39 PM
To be completely honest, it's always felt like black was more of a staple trim of the Black City. My memories tend to bleed together, but white doesn't seem like it's been out in abundance over the years (I'm sure accounts of this vary).

I do have the sudden urge to dress my characters in white from now on, though. So... kudos.

Thus, the refresher. :)
Title: Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
Post by: Jihelu on August 08, 2016, 09:43:53 PM
Tbh from what I read and go with is white is always in session, as well as black.
Other than house colors, it depends on the 'flavor of whoever in charge says' I think.
Title: Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
Post by: Cayuga on August 08, 2016, 09:50:34 PM
Tbh from what I read and go with is white is always in session, as well as black.
Other than house colors, it depends on the 'flavor of whoever in charge says' I think.

Yup! That's what the last part of the help file suggests, too. :)
Title: Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
Post by: Jihelu on August 08, 2016, 09:54:33 PM
Any idea on what a 'fashonable' hunter/grebber type would look?
Title: Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
Post by: boog on August 08, 2016, 10:00:23 PM
Ooh, pick me, pick me:

Leatherwear is thought somewhat lower class, reserved for guards, hunters and other common military types.

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/13/5a/bc/135abcf514177782b167e766b1177832.jpg)

I think, minus the studs, that's "primitive" enough. I think, offduty, they'd wear what everyone else wears, though. Hard clothes for the desert, soft clothes for city time.

(Sorry, noble guards.)
Title: Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
Post by: TheWanderer on August 08, 2016, 10:51:31 PM
Thus, the refresher. :)

(http://static.tumblr.com/bf858d262ce992754e2b78042c9e0fe8/uksvtyf/vfmmqrccy/tumblr_static_thumbs_up_monica.gif)
Title: Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
Post by: ChibiTama on August 08, 2016, 11:16:20 PM
Don't forget the sari.

(http://i.imgur.com/5ZnfsFH.jpg)
Title: Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
Post by: Norcal on August 09, 2016, 01:47:02 PM

(http://www.papercitymag.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/LV3.jpg)

Handbags will defiantly be making a showing this year. And -no- it is not a zipper..it is a blackened bone cuff ornament.


(https://rochelleleana.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/nicholas-k30.jpg)

Notice the bandolier...perfect for those many knives.

(https://rochelleleana.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/nicholas-k061.jpg)

Silky chic with a sexy hijab to keep that nasty Suk Krath at bay.

A few higher class folks and then of course:

(http://favimages.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/saharawi-sheik-sahara-africa-desert-polisario-turban-oldman-algeria-refugee.jpg)

The unwashed masses
Title: Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
Post by: Desertman on August 09, 2016, 02:10:51 PM
Scrab chitin armor or gtfo.

(http://www.athas.org/system/uploads/article_attachment/attachment/13/Athasian_Armor.jpg)
Title: Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
Post by: manipura on August 09, 2016, 03:46:09 PM
I always find it jarring to see things (fashions) in the south that are revealing, in terns of the cut/design of the garment.

Sometimes I feel like while they are much more suited to northern culture, because the north is closed they get made in the south anyway.
Title: Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
Post by: path on August 09, 2016, 04:01:14 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_z5jU5nrlAo
Title: Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
Post by: path on August 09, 2016, 04:08:18 PM
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/ce/51/19/ce5119f8ceae9a7ed3deff13d84a4eb8.jpg)

Let's talk about when or if it's alright for nobility and their servants to trend away from wearing house colors. Or, when they'd particularly be concerned with wearing them. Like at a party. Or maybe the arena. Or if they had to sign important contracts. Or there were some historic execution to be witnessed.
Title: Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
Post by: manipura on August 09, 2016, 04:13:47 PM
I think the nobility wearing white or black is always acceptable, but I think more often than not, players like dressing their nobles in House colours, no matter the occasion.
Title: Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
Post by: path on August 09, 2016, 04:15:22 PM
Do you think that somewhat invalidates the Kadian color changes?

This one goes out to the gentlemen.

(https://thedelhibride.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/tarun-tahiliani-couture-exposition-2013-menswear-couture-2.png)

(http://cdn.glamcheck.com/bollywood/files/2013/09/Anjalee-Arjun-Kapoor-Mens-Couture-Collection-2013.jpg)

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/9b/52/6e/9b526ec15f680753b45957bbdd2eb27c.jpg)
Title: Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
Post by: manipura on August 09, 2016, 04:24:35 PM
To be honest I've never liked the colour-trends from an IC perspective. 
From an OOC perspective, sure... "Oh, blue is trendy this month?  Neat-o."  But do I think Fale would  be wearing it?  Or Borsail?  No, not really.

Even in rumor board posts people say things like "criers wearing Fale colours said this and that"...no one is saying "Fale criers wearing blue, because it's trendy, came to the bar shouting about...this and that."

So do I think House colours, and nobles tending to wear them, invalidate the Kadian colour trends?  Yeah, I guess I do.
Title: Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
Post by: TheWanderer on August 09, 2016, 04:37:15 PM
So do I think House colours, and nobles tending to wear them, invalidate the Kadian colour trends?  Yeah, I guess I do.
^
The Borsail lord says, in posh-accented Sirihish: "Blue? Heh. Crimson and black are -always- in season."
Title: Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
Post by: bardlyone on August 09, 2016, 04:53:04 PM
I'm sort of on team 'wear house colors' myself, when it's a noble house you work for, but feel like it's much more understandable and something to be encouraged, when merchant house employees switch up colors with the trending colors. They're much less likely to have extremely non-neutral colors from ankle to throat all down their back in the form of house colored cloaks and the like (dun/black/black/grey/and white are really a lot more neutral than purple and green or blue and black or red and black), to clash with these rotating colors.

I would like to see more saris in game, and in linen or cotton, rather than the 1 design and only in sandcloth, that has been accessible without knowing who to take orders and wait on.
Title: Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
Post by: Jihelu on August 09, 2016, 05:10:11 PM
I know I've said those in power decide what color is 'in'.
But other than like, I think I saw someone who said something like that wear different color ear rings that month or so, I've never seen someone actually do it!
It's like the thing.
"Oh blue is in Lord Whtever Borsail what ever shall we do?"

"Not wear blue?"

"Right M'lord, fantastic idea! I'll alert the masses that red is in season!"
Title: Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
Post by: Norcal on August 09, 2016, 07:02:32 PM
I always find it jarring to see things (fashions) in the south that are revealing, in terns of the cut/design of the garment.

Sometimes I feel like while they are much more suited to northern culture, because the north is closed they get made in the south anyway.

To be expected.
Title: Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
Post by: BadSkeelz on August 09, 2016, 07:25:29 PM
I know I've said those in power decide what color is 'in'.
But other than like, I think I saw someone who said something like that wear different color ear rings that month or so, I've never seen someone actually do it!
It's like the thing.
"Oh blue is in Lord Whtever Borsail what ever shall we do?"

"Not wear blue?"

"Right M'lord, fantastic idea! I'll alert the masses that red is in season!"

New Templar Role: Fashion Police


Re: noble colors, I'd like it if they kept at least one item with their house colors and something like a brooch or necklace with the house emblem. You don't always have to be wearing the team uniform, but keep the logo visible.
Title: Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
Post by: Culinary Critic on August 09, 2016, 07:34:05 PM
First minute or two...this is a good post.
Third minute...this is a GOOD post.
Fourth minute...this post is fantastic.

Awesome post.  Can't praise it enough and really can't wait for the next one.
Title: Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
Post by: valeria on August 09, 2016, 08:28:50 PM
Re: House Colors

I've played a variety of nobles, and they only wear their House colors when they want to or haven't had a chance to get decked out by Kadius yet.  My commoner employees will wear whatever their House colors are, but my nobles themselves typically expect everyone to know who they are without being head-to-heels in one of their two thematic colors.  They have shiny silver rings proclaiming that they're better than you. 

Most often, in order of most to least influential, my nobles wear colors:
1) that a PC Kadian said looked good on them, recently sold to them, or said are in season
2) are in season in the Kadian shop
3) are white
4) are House colors
5) are whatever the fuck my noble wants to wear for some reason because they do what they want
Title: Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
Post by: path on August 09, 2016, 08:32:06 PM
Fine. I'll be the one to say it. I hate you, team colors. I hate you.

If I were reading a fantasy book where the servants dressed to House colors, I'd be like...yeah. They're servants.

For the nobility, however, I think they should all best please their own whims. It's slavish to follow their House colors so stringently, and if that were in a novel, I'd find it pretty silly. Those restrictions make sense for the lowblooded commoners, but not for the Highborn. How much more fun would Allanaki high style be? The Kadian item database is massive, but there are limited items that make sense and go together for clans. Throw open the doors, I say!

Lord McGruffin McTangerinePants should be able to dress his favored servant in only feathered items or whatever, because that makes things more fun. I want to always be with you, my fellow players, in pursuit of fun. I bring this up in particular because it's just game tradition to do it the way we do. There hasn't ever been any documentation to support this. Good deal, too, because how much weirder would it be that the Chosen did it the same way. It's meta. We want the newbs to be able to tell which House is what. I love the newbs, but let's just teach them to look at rings.

We can free ourselves!

(https://media.giphy.com/media/DEP6jwtWpbgqY/giphy.gif)

btw valeria - aw yissss.
Title: Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
Post by: BadSkeelz on August 09, 2016, 08:52:04 PM
So long as your outfits come with a Flee-penalty I think I could be alright ;)


Fuck Nobles wearing gloves, though.
Title: Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
Post by: bardlyone on August 09, 2016, 09:17:28 PM



Fuck Nobles wearing gloves, though.

Seriously. If you are ever a noble wearing gloves and you expect people to bow to you but they can't look at your rings, well, they have no damn reason to think they should be able to. They can't see the single item that GUARANTEES a highborn: metal.

Ergo, it's your own damn fault.

I get it if you're trying to look like a commoner, but otherwise, what gives?

:/ It makes me sadface. I mean... just because a pc is wearing a shitload of silk doesn't mean they're a noble. They could well be a concubine. It's the visible metal ring that says you're the noble.
Title: Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
Post by: path on August 09, 2016, 09:29:24 PM
Okay so, also...focus on sandals.

Here's the bad news, lads and ladies:

Sandals: Generally worn by anyone in the north. In the southlands, such are worn only by gladiators and/or slaves.

http://old.armageddon.org/general/clothing.html
Title: Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
Post by: bardlyone on August 09, 2016, 09:48:22 PM
Okay so, also...focus on sandals.

Here's the bad news, lads and ladies:

Sandals: Generally worn by anyone in the north. In the southlands, such are worn only by gladiators and/or slaves.

http://old.armageddon.org/general/clothing.html

Needs moar slippers and stuff that aren't sandals or boots then, imo, given that the commoner's clothing shop (nonkadian) regularly stocks beaded sandals and there's little other than 'shoes' (which, btw how boring and nondescriptive is that word) for footwear if you aren't in heels which... not terribly practical. I'd like to see welen's stock more slippers and minna's more heels, since, you know, nobles don't have to do all the running but commoners do, making slippers a hell of a lot more practical. >.>
Title: Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
Post by: Erythil on August 09, 2016, 10:36:28 PM
My Borsail wore a lot of blue and green.

Wearing House colors is cool, especially for formal functions, but would you want to wear the same color every day in real life?

I mean, it helps us tell who's on what team in Game of Thrones, but I think the signet rings are clue enough.
Title: Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
Post by: WanderingOoze on August 09, 2016, 10:49:07 PM
I had a signet ring once. No one bowed to me  :'(
Title: Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
Post by: Beethoven on August 09, 2016, 11:24:07 PM
I always kind of like it when nobles wear gloves and then act peeved when they're not recognized. ICly they are deluded and think that everyone should recognize them just because they're better.
Title: Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
Post by: Jihelu on August 09, 2016, 11:31:59 PM
Most nobles wear silk on silk on silk.
Thats a good sign
Title: Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
Post by: bardlyone on August 09, 2016, 11:55:02 PM
Most nobles wear silk on silk on silk.
Thats a good sign

Unless it's a concubine. Which are likened to those small purse dogs in the docs, and well... people buy mini louis vuitton and gucci for their purse puppies too.

It could also be other positions which I've seen on occasion.

It's a good sign, but it's still embarassing to be bowing to someone who's not a noble, just because you assume something that is freely available (silk) signifies the same thing as something that is not (metal) because Lord Dicknballs decided to wear gloves.
Title: Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
Post by: Jihelu on August 09, 2016, 11:58:40 PM
I've yet to see a commoner wear more than 1 piece of silk and even then they were like, a commonly known aide.
And usually then they wear their employer aba/thing.
I think a good way to learn it is:
Do they have a guard?
Are they wearing 3+ pieces of silk?
Are you sure they aren't a nobles ho?
Title: Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
Post by: bardlyone on August 10, 2016, 12:05:53 AM
I've yet to see a commoner wear more than 1 piece of silk and even then they were like, a commonly known aide.
And usually then they wear their employer aba/thing.
I think a good way to learn it is:
Do they have a guard?
Are they wearing 3+ pieces of silk?
Are you sure they aren't a nobles ho?


Yeah, that's largely thanks so a sumptuary thing which I frankly HATE. Silk is freely available for any commoner to buy. Metal is not.

If you want to make it where commoners can't freely wear silk around anywhere, you ought to stop stocking it publicly.

In fact, it's about the only thing I liked about Tuluk, was that I didn't have silk off limits. I hate sumptuary laws. If you genuinely believe that your blood is what makes you better, and the person is a loyal servant of one of the ruling houses with all the markers to indicate it, I see no reason why they should be harassed for buying something that's traded freely by a great merchant house.

That's its own whole ball of wax. But yes, I cannot state enough how much I hate this artificial sumptuary crap w/regards to silk.

Commoners can get and wear silk freely. They can't with metal. I could understand being bent af if one was wearing metal. Silk... honestly, not at all.
Title: Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
Post by: Jihelu on August 10, 2016, 12:18:55 AM
"If you want to make it where commoners can't freely wear silk around anywhere, you ought to stop stocking it publicly. "
I agree
Theres a silk robe in a certain quarter.
In this quarter the people who would be buying said robe WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO WEAR IT.
To which I beg the question
WHY IS IT THERE??????
Title: Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
Post by: Patuk on August 10, 2016, 12:20:13 AM
Hey, hey, hey now, silk isn't illegal for commoners, they just can't wear it.
Title: Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
Post by: Reiloth on August 10, 2016, 12:22:44 AM
I've yet to see a commoner wear more than 1 piece of silk and even then they were like, a commonly known aide.
And usually then they wear their employer aba/thing.
I think a good way to learn it is:
Do they have a guard?
Are they wearing 3+ pieces of silk?
Are you sure they aren't a nobles ho?


Yeah, that's largely thanks so a sumptuary thing which I frankly HATE. Silk is freely available for any commoner to buy. Metal is not.

If you want to make it where commoners can't freely wear silk around anywhere, you ought to stop stocking it publicly.

In fact, it's about the only thing I liked about Tuluk, was that I didn't have silk off limits. I hate sumptuary laws. If you genuinely believe that your blood is what makes you better, and the person is a loyal servant of one of the ruling houses with all the markers to indicate it, I see no reason why they should be harassed for buying something that's traded freely by a great merchant house.

That's its own whole ball of wax. But yes, I cannot state enough how much I hate this artificial sumptuary crap w/regards to silk.

Commoners can get and wear silk freely. They can't with metal. I could understand being bent af if one was wearing metal. Silk... honestly, not at all.

Except it's like part of documentation?
Title: Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
Post by: Jihelu on August 10, 2016, 12:34:40 AM
Hey, hey, hey now, silk isn't illegal for commoners, they just can't wear it.
Whats the point of buying a fancy silk robe then?
Thats for sell in an area for commoners
Title: Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
Post by: boog on August 10, 2016, 12:49:46 AM
How about we stick to the topic, which is to illustrate what we think of Allanaki cultural fashions?

If you're bothered by something being on offer, maybe idea it, typo it, whatever, and staff can look at removing or adding items to shops? If shit's for sale in a quarter it's not meant to be, it might've been crafted by a player, hoping to get a little coin, anyway.

Just because it's on offer doesn't mean it should be worn by just anyone.

(http://media.tumblr.com/ce3a518af0aaa0fcb4a5849fac9addeb/tumblr_inline_mwh3rsCCqE1rmo3kc.jpg)

A commoner wearing some linen or cotton, instead of silk? Modest, plain.
Title: Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
Post by: bardlyone on August 10, 2016, 02:16:47 AM
I've yet to see a commoner wear more than 1 piece of silk and even then they were like, a commonly known aide.
And usually then they wear their employer aba/thing.
I think a good way to learn it is:
Do they have a guard?
Are they wearing 3+ pieces of silk?
Are you sure they aren't a nobles ho?


Yeah, that's largely thanks so a sumptuary thing which I frankly HATE. Silk is freely available for any commoner to buy. Metal is not.

If you want to make it where commoners can't freely wear silk around anywhere, you ought to stop stocking it publicly.

In fact, it's about the only thing I liked about Tuluk, was that I didn't have silk off limits. I hate sumptuary laws. If you genuinely believe that your blood is what makes you better, and the person is a loyal servant of one of the ruling houses with all the markers to indicate it, I see no reason why they should be harassed for buying something that's traded freely by a great merchant house.

That's its own whole ball of wax. But yes, I cannot state enough how much I hate this artificial sumptuary crap w/regards to silk.

Commoners can get and wear silk freely. They can't with metal. I could understand being bent af if one was wearing metal. Silk... honestly, not at all.

Except it's like part of documentation?

Unless "more commonly" translate to "illegal", I don't know where you're getting that. Can you point me to where it says that?

Title: Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
Post by: Jingo on August 10, 2016, 04:27:51 AM
House colors are always something that has annoyed me. My character isn't a walking billboard and my noble isn't a brand manager.

I don't even like house cloaks.
Title: Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
Post by: bardlyone on August 10, 2016, 06:14:04 AM
House colors are always something that has annoyed me. My character isn't a walking billboard and my noble isn't a brand manager.

I don't even like house cloaks.

Touche. I think if everyone could wear a piece of jewelry or a single article to indicate their status (one which was NOT restricted to being a floor length thing in house colors), there would be less of this. But as it is, I at least (can't speak for others) will tend to wear house colors simply to match the stuff the job requires be worn, because I hate clashing colors. It makes me cringe.
Title: Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
Post by: Desertman on August 10, 2016, 08:59:20 AM
I've never played a role where fashion was a thing for my character.

 :-\
Title: Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
Post by: Barzalene on August 10, 2016, 10:51:36 AM
It wasn't acceptable in the North to run about tarted up in silks as a commoner. I had ad a long lived Kadian who tried to convey that. Perhaps being the north the censure was just too subtle.
It was more loose than in the South, but commoners dressing like nobles wasn't ok there.
Title: Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
Post by: Delirium on August 10, 2016, 10:53:32 AM
House colors are always something that has annoyed me. My character isn't a walking billboard and my noble isn't a brand manager.

I don't even like house cloaks.

Touche. I think if everyone could wear a piece of jewelry or a single article to indicate their status (one which was NOT restricted to being a floor length thing in house colors), there would be less of this. But as it is, I at least (can't speak for others) will tend to wear house colors simply to match the stuff the job requires be worn, because I hate clashing colors. It makes me cringe.

Yes please. A shoulder pin would be much easier to work with.
Title: Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
Post by: Dunetrade55 on August 10, 2016, 11:04:05 AM
This makes me want to start a thread on rinthi fashions.
Title: Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
Post by: Raptor_Dan on August 10, 2016, 01:33:22 PM
... If you genuinely believe that your blood is what makes you better...

Silk soothes the nobilites' deep-seated insecurities.
Title: Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
Post by: Norcal on August 10, 2016, 07:34:57 PM
Some Allanaki fashion tips for men:

(http://www.denimjeansobserver.com/mag/designer-denim-jeans-fashion/2016/ss/brands-b/belstaff-2016-spring-summer-london-collections-men-british-fashion-desert-map-moto-racer-jumpsuit-poncho-parka-denim-jeans-observer-01x.jpg)

You can never go wrong with a desert onesie..and do not forget the bandolier.

(http://www.j-nacustomgsb.com/images/jean-paul-gualtier-mens-couture-2011.jpg)

For those well to do hunters,  like this ginger haired Rider, after hours layers in an urban camouflage pattern set you apart from the rest. And those boots..perfect for stowing a knife or two.

Title: Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
Post by: Desertman on August 11, 2016, 08:23:25 AM
(http://www.j-nacustomgsb.com/images/jean-paul-gualtier-mens-couture-2011.jpg)


Perfect for ensuring you get the shit kicked out of you and left to walk naked through the desert while all the other men laugh at you and tear your silly clothes up into scraps of cloth for bandaging their glorious combat wounds.

Ahahahhahahahaaa.

We should devote a thread to just writing sdescs for this guy.

The pale, ginger, fabulous man.



(Jaime Lannister's little brother above isn't so bad. Pretty cool getup actually.)

Title: Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
Post by: Reiloth on August 11, 2016, 11:20:47 AM
I've yet to see a commoner wear more than 1 piece of silk and even then they were like, a commonly known aide.
And usually then they wear their employer aba/thing.
I think a good way to learn it is:
Do they have a guard?
Are they wearing 3+ pieces of silk?
Are you sure they aren't a nobles ho?


Yeah, that's largely thanks so a sumptuary thing which I frankly HATE. Silk is freely available for any commoner to buy. Metal is not.

If you want to make it where commoners can't freely wear silk around anywhere, you ought to stop stocking it publicly.

In fact, it's about the only thing I liked about Tuluk, was that I didn't have silk off limits. I hate sumptuary laws. If you genuinely believe that your blood is what makes you better, and the person is a loyal servant of one of the ruling houses with all the markers to indicate it, I see no reason why they should be harassed for buying something that's traded freely by a great merchant house.

That's its own whole ball of wax. But yes, I cannot state enough how much I hate this artificial sumptuary crap w/regards to silk.

Commoners can get and wear silk freely. They can't with metal. I could understand being bent af if one was wearing metal. Silk... honestly, not at all.

Except it's like part of documentation?

Unless "more commonly" translate to "illegal", I don't know where you're getting that. Can you point me to where it says that?



Bolded the bits that are relevant. You're stating your opinion ("I hate that Commoners can't wear silk") and then twisting it to make it seem like it's OK that Commoners wear Silk ("Commoners can get and wear silk.")

Just because they can do something, doesn't make it more or less against documentation. A Rinther can also sit at the bar in Red's Retreat, but that probably won't end well for them. So could an elf.

There are aspects about documentation, especially the more nuanced 'social documentation' for cities, that rely on players moreso than Staff to upkeep and adhere to. Humans and Elves not making quick friends with half-elves, for instance. Or Gemmed being shunned at worst, used at best, but rarely a 'friend' with a mundane. Just as well, the taboo behind Commoners wearing silk is their close replication of Nobility. We've seen very similar movements in our own world, with societies where certain colors were prohibited except by noble/ruling castes, where certain styles of clothing were forbidden to people of certain class or even color.

So -- While you want to have 'silk' appended to the end of your clothing item, maybe you could consider the documentation Staff wrote for Allanak when it comes to fashion, and try to adhere to it, because it makes the game world more believable and that's what everyone wants at the end of the day.
Title: Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
Post by: Reiloth on August 11, 2016, 11:22:54 AM
(http://www.j-nacustomgsb.com/images/jean-paul-gualtier-mens-couture-2011.jpg)


Perfect for ensuring you get the shit kicked out of you and left to walk naked through the desert while all the other men laugh at you and tear your silly clothes up into scraps of cloth for bandaging their glorious combat wounds.

Ahahahhahahahaaa.

We should devote a thread to just writing sdescs for this guy.

The pale, ginger, fabulous man.



(Jaime Lannister's little brother above isn't so bad. Pretty cool getup actually.)



Aren't you pretty much a stereotypical 'queer bashin' Texan' by now?
Title: Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
Post by: Dunetrade55 on August 11, 2016, 11:24:23 AM
FYI, my elf sitting in Red's struck up an unlikely friendship that payed off in epic proportions. Short term, yeah, was going to get my ass beat, long term, defying common sense has its place.
Title: Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
Post by: Reiloth on August 11, 2016, 11:26:21 AM
FYI, my elf sitting in Red's struck up an unlikely friendship that payed off in epic proportions. Short term, yeah, was going to get my ass beat, long term, defying common sense has its place.

Right, but if the exception to the rule becomes the rule, then it is no longer an exception.

The taboo of silk on a commoner is very much in the eye of the beholder. A Templar or Noble can make a Commoner's life hell if they want to, but if they're in with the right people, they can wear silk without much of an eyebat from the same types of people. An Elf is a commoner -- If they were wearing Silk, they might even get tossed into the Arena, because who needs anything more than a flimsy excuse to arrest an Elf?

There's more nuance to this than 'You Commoner. You No Wear Silk'.
Title: Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
Post by: Desertman on August 11, 2016, 11:47:04 AM
(http://www.j-nacustomgsb.com/images/jean-paul-gualtier-mens-couture-2011.jpg)


Perfect for ensuring you get the shit kicked out of you and left to walk naked through the desert while all the other men laugh at you and tear your silly clothes up into scraps of cloth for bandaging their glorious combat wounds.

Ahahahhahahahaaa.

We should devote a thread to just writing sdescs for this guy.

The pale, ginger, fabulous man.



(Jaime Lannister's little brother above isn't so bad. Pretty cool getup actually.)



Aren't you pretty much a stereotypical 'queer bashin' Texan' by now?

I'm an equal opportunity basher. I don't care how many dicks you suck.

(I'm making fun of the fact the guy doesn't look like he belongs in an Armageddon combat troop of stone sword swinging veterans and the thought of seeing him in one wearing those clothes is making me laugh. I never once said anything about this guy's sexual orientation or his sexual preferences. I'm not sure if this is bait, or if I somehow struck a personal issue nerve with you. If anything....I'm pale/ginger/goofy clothes bashing....)
Title: Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
Post by: Delirium on August 11, 2016, 12:09:06 PM
Let's take a few giant steps back and keep that kind of discussion out of this thread.

This thread is for productive discussion of Allanaki fashion.

This thread is not for making fun of Allanaki fashion. Or any other topic.

Take it to another thread if you must. Derail is going to get moderated out.
Title: Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
Post by: Dunetrade55 on August 12, 2016, 04:22:50 AM
I agree, Reiloth, it IS much more complicated than that, which is as it should be. My elf never DID wear silk, but he dressed quite well. He never went into Red's again either (though he should have)... when you see a well-dressed commoner, you should think "Either this person is an idiot, or I should NOT fuck with them." Anyway, end derail, apologies, more fashion pics pls.
Title: Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
Post by: BadSkeelz on August 16, 2016, 01:21:54 PM
This seems as good a place as any to ask: what do folks envision when they see someone decked out in sandcloth? Part of me wants to imagine a tramp in a potato sack but I think it's more complicated than that.

Even if I only play fighters who never get to change out of their armor, I'd like to see some attention turned to commoner fashions, at least here in the thread. It's what most of us (theoretically) wear.

Saris like ChiBiTama posted earlier seem like good non-combatant/formal wear, but don't seem practical for the vast majority of Allanak's laboring populace.
Title: Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
Post by: bardlyone on August 16, 2016, 01:31:27 PM
This seems as good a place as any to ask: what do folks envision when they see someone decked out in sandcloth?

I think of non-armor dothraki clothes, ie dany's handmaids here:

(http://gameofthronesstyle.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Danearys-Targaryen-Khaleesi-Season-2-Clothing-Costume-Scale-Fish-Leather.png)
Title: Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
Post by: Iiyola on August 16, 2016, 01:41:30 PM
I personally love the Max Max clothing, although this may lean more towards punk sorta fashion:

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/1f/bf/73/1fbf7328875446d45b45e70c929241d6.jpg)
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/7a/71/1a/7a711a001e5e56fad8a8e6095de1bcb8.jpg)
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/d1/e5/ad/d1e5adaf89074cbab68e0b40c0281813.jpg)
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/58/da/87/58da87d8ecc3cc7513bbc14cca73cd8e.jpg)

And of course that feathered headdress:

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/eb/9b/2b/eb9b2bf99785a6b5f908835eb6a54378.jpg)
Title: Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
Post by: Desertman on August 16, 2016, 01:50:53 PM
I think all of that is pretty accurate actually more or less. Certainly the right "feel" in my opinion.
Title: Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
Post by: Iiyola on August 16, 2016, 02:17:25 PM
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/c4/b5/d7/c4b5d7e2ba8774c49b59aa772896358b.jpg)
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/25/13/d6/2513d6b661f1d374e0aef96e0557a057.jpg)
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/20/00/ce/2000ce03af1e5ed59d2b1a6fd8803d85.jpg)
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/0b/dd/2a/0bdd2a782e48671243ed0de872c2fc9a.jpg)
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/6b/3e/2e/6b3e2eae9e97b3dcfd8d21ac6a6367ba.jpg)
Title: Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
Post by: Norcal on August 16, 2016, 04:48:07 PM
Sandcloth
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/96/8c/e4/968ce4d6f1ec812db84a218933b2a6c5.jpg)

This is actually linen yet it captures what I see as the texture.
(https://armstreet.com/catalogue/full/fantasy-dress-wanderer-linen-robe-6.jpg)

Women from a mining family in the commoners quarters
(https://c8.staticflickr.com/3/2468/3653027967_66370d6802.jpg)

Title: Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
Post by: path on August 16, 2016, 08:09:50 PM
Norcal, you and I are in alignment on this.
Title: Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
Post by: Majikal on August 16, 2016, 09:29:00 PM
I'm enjoying the shit out of this thread.

That is all.
Title: Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
Post by: Barsook on August 16, 2016, 09:29:27 PM
I'm enjoying the shit out of this thread.

That is all.
Title: Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
Post by: BadSkeelz on August 17, 2016, 12:48:33 AM
I personally love the Max Max clothing, although this may lean more towards punk sorta fashion:

Sandcloth

This is actually linen yet it captures what I see as the texture.

Women from a mining family in the commoners quarters


Yeah, great pictures both!

I'm always a little skeptical of bare flesh on my southern characters, but Iiyola's first picture does a great job of conveying form while also providing protection. Tight sleeves would be a item that lets you cover skin while still showing off your curves as well as color of your choosing.
Title: Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
Post by: Tisiphone on August 17, 2016, 05:41:18 AM
Let me introduce ya'll to an almost-universal form of desert/steppe/savannah wear: the thobe:

(http://www.jubbathobe.com/images/cream-islamic-omani-kaftan-thobe.jpg)

I hear you. Kinda boring, no? But practically everyone wore them in the 19th century and earlier. To the point where they were pretty much a standard unit of trade (the amount of tobacco or sugar you'd bought would be measured in plain white linen or cotton thobes) from Western Africa to the steppes of Uzbekistan.

Which means there are a lot of different styles.

For example, the Somali thobe:

(http://cdn.c.photoshelter.com/img-get2/I0000iSq6nrRaS.Q/fit=1000x750/Somaliland-Kood-Buur-Mohammed-3203.jpg)

(as a side note, check out the traditional Somali dye on this guy's hair. It's awesome. Ignore the button-down shirt, but the scarf's authentic.)

(http://l7.alamy.com/zooms/043bfb10cf3345ed9f19def267041dc9/portrait-of-somali-muslim-trader-at-hargeisa-market-somaliland-by7jx1.jpg)

Here's a woman's version:

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/dd/a3/1d/dda31d9240e957f25828099aede0153b.jpg)

Or, I dunno...Yemeni thobes?

(http://www.ventanasvoyage.com/images/yemen%20selects/man%20w%20dagger%203_small.jpg) (http://wmblogs.wm.edu/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/womendancing2.jpg)

Or Sudanese thobes!

(http://nationalclothing.org/images/2015/10/outlook16.jpg) (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-LYnwOW5QgbQ/UVbXbz0AeJI/AAAAAAAAAe4/Zn9OlvQrAP0/s1600/A+Nubian+woman+from+Sudan,+wearing+a+'tika'+and+a+'nose-ring'.jpg)

Or Khajeeli, or Punjabi, or Tajik, or or or or....

and they can be plain

(https://mohammadattar.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/agal__jeddah__jeseus__saudi_arabia__saudi_wedding__shemagh__singing__thobe-2-2.jpg)

or fancy

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/--qOwKBgWJ1Y/ToZ3OAljdNI/AAAAAAAAAHQ/5ZcqXvRAiho/s1600/A+Special+Thobe.jpg) (https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/f6/eb/6b/f6eb6ba15c59a8c7ec4bbdc989657196.jpg)

Some even good enough for a noble to wear!

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/600x315/d3/1e/47/d31e475a43c319aa9ffa0a6c76094b2f.jpg) (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_vWR6ZIoy-0Q/TNOui5lfYmI/AAAAAAAAAPY/luyJH-E7ytU/s1600/arab-wedding-dress-groom-2.jpg)

As a parting note, I can think of no better way for a fashionable Borsail to say, "I have more money than you," than this:

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-49mt46e561g/Vv0ad1T9USI/AAAAAAADVQ0/f4RjL9XyUwcB0Qxezy3wRnc5DzxH6cjLQ/w506-h750/53052135c7017ce085f937913b1960c0.jpg) (https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/bb/ae/83/bbae83a03b13109065041c34c687f8c4.jpg)
Title: Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
Post by: Hauwke on August 17, 2016, 08:17:45 PM
The female figure in a mask of obsidian coins exclaims in noble accented sirihish:
"I AM BETTER BY DESIGN!"
Title: Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
Post by: Norcal on August 18, 2016, 08:56:20 PM
Oh I'm sorry, did I hear Burqa?

(http://4.imimg.com/data4/LP/WG/MY-7077399/latest-burkha-500x500.jpg)

Or was it Abaya?

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/5f/ba/40/5fba40fb43ea61abe50bd8af3da8de83.jpg)

One can never go wrong with beadwork.....Is it silk or just gossamer linen? Only the stylist knows...

(http://g02.a.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1iY0IKXXXXXciXVXXq6xXFXXXT/2016-Champagne-Evening-font-b-Dress-b-font-Dubai-Kaftan-font-b-Dress-b-font-Abayas.jpg)
Title: Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
Post by: ChibiTama on August 22, 2016, 02:09:48 AM
Wrap dress, perhaps? (https://ak0.scstatic.net/1/cdn2-cont10.sweetcouch.com/144044474517385153-antique-gold-silver-gray-beaded-saree.jpg)
Title: Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
Post by: ChibiTama on August 22, 2016, 02:19:01 AM
I could see some clothes like these as well.

(https://guideimg.alibaba.com/images/shop/105/02/11/9/exotic-india-ivy-green-wedding-sari-with-ornate-patch-border-and-beaded-green_1631809.jpg)


(http://img.tradeindia.com/fp/1/673/706.jpg)


(https://classconnection.s3.amazonaws.com/670/flashcards/1825670/jpg/doric_chiton-1410554A66443236528.jpg)

And where can I get me some of these?

(http://image.glamourdaze.com/2012/10/harem-pants-poiret.jpg)
Title: Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
Post by: BadSkeelz on August 22, 2016, 02:43:31 AM

And where can I get me some of these?

(http://image.glamourdaze.com/2012/10/harem-pants-poiret.jpg)

I've seen some clothes like these in Luir's, though they're closer to the traditional inspirations than Western harem pants. I think they'd only show in Allanak at a tribal-themed orgy party.

I do like Indian formal wear for the style and complete impracticality for actually getting anything accomplished while wearing it. Good Noble fashion.
Title: Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
Post by: Delirium on August 22, 2016, 10:20:06 AM
There aren't enough backpacks, sashes, pouches, and satchels in these images.  :P  :D
Title: Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
Post by: Riev on August 22, 2016, 01:46:05 PM
There aren't enough backpacks, sashes, pouches, and satchels in these images.  :P  :D

Needs more turtle backpacks.

You know who you are, bahamet-pack.
Title: Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
Post by: BadSkeelz on August 22, 2016, 01:50:11 PM
There aren't enough backpacks, sashes, pouches, and satchels in these images.  :P  :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAtzN_ScKXY
Title: Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
Post by: ChibiTama on August 22, 2016, 03:00:38 PM
(https://www.wulflund.com/img/goods/en/medium/leather-knapsack---universal-age_2.jpg)


(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/ff/f6/02/fff602ae9e87479df1aeae2d09632d8f.jpg)


(http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0189/1468/products/scaramanga_backpack_1_1024x1024.jpg?v=1444046454)


(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/b3/c8/df/b3c8dfb9788ca3e9253ad20960987764.jpg)
Title: Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
Post by: boog on August 27, 2016, 11:53:12 PM
This seems as good a place as any to ask: what do folks envision when they see someone decked out in sandcloth?

I think of non-armor dothraki clothes, ie dany's handmaids here:

(http://gameofthronesstyle.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Danearys-Targaryen-Khaleesi-Season-2-Clothing-Costume-Scale-Fish-Leather.png)

Jimmy cast a necro thread, and I don't care...

I am gonna disagree with bardly! I think that is wayyyy too much skin showing for anyone in Allanak. Way too much! Neck, bust, arms? And those hems ain't ankle length.

But to go back to the awesome link that path provided earlier in the thread, http://old.armageddon.org/general/clothing.html ... I think one of the MOST IMPORTANT and overlooked bits is at the bottom!

SOUTHERN STYLES
Fabric  Cotton, Sandcloth, Silk
Styles    Tight, Tailored, Tapered, Wrapped, Layered, High Necklines (little skin exposure)
Prints   Geometric, Stripes, or none
Trims   Embroidery, Bands of Solid Colors, Patterned Hems

I definitely think linen can be added to the fabric though, too, provided it's layered enough so as to not be sheer. Cotton's hard to get, after all since [redacted] went and [redacted] the [redacted].
Title: Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
Post by: Samoa on August 28, 2016, 01:42:45 AM
For clarity's sake, I think the Dothraki clothes were just to indicate what sandcloth looks like, as a material, not proposing those are typical commoner styles.
Title: Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
Post by: Jingo on August 28, 2016, 02:38:02 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NVfuy0_NJM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NVfuy0_NJM)

A rectangular length of linen isn't a very catchy description unfortunately.
Title: Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
Post by: BadSkeelz on August 28, 2016, 03:36:21 AM
craft linen

You can craft a rectangular length of linen in to...
     1) a plain cloth himation [mangeable]
     2) a plain cloth tebenna [mangeable]
     3) a plain cloth toga [mangeable]
     4) a plain cloth chlamys [mangeable]
Title: Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
Post by: ChibiTama on August 29, 2016, 10:26:31 AM
Don't forget about kurtas! They can be for men or women and can have varying sleeve lengths.

(http://cdn02.shopclues.net/images/detailed/798/5014_1374117411.jpg)

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ug5SvgCjkhE/UzeRqf_BJbI/AAAAAAAAF6w/wAbAbHUrNjw/s1600/Grapes+Lawn+Kurta+Designs+2014-15-007-www.she-styles.blogspot.com.jpg)

(http://www.bargello.com/images/products/kurta/K379-punjabi-kurta-pajama-collection-Bellerose-NY.jpg)

(http://www.fashpk.com/articles/images/khasdi-eid-men-collection4.jpg)

(http://images.voonik.com/51461/contrast-embroidered-yoke-kurta-original.jpg?1388857795)
Title: Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
Post by: Dakota on August 29, 2016, 11:32:26 AM
For Allanak, I always go with Cormac McCarthy descriptions from Blood Meridian...  Most poor (thus most people in Allanaki), I imagine, are:

Quote from: Cormac McCarthy - Blood Meridian
"...small and misshapen and his face was smeared with feces and he sat peering at them with dull hostility silently chewing a turd."

Granted that's an extreme you'd see in the Rinth but... There's this passage as well...

Quote from: Cormac McCarthy - Blood Meridian
"...A legion of horribles, hundreds in number, half naked or clad in costumes attic or biblical or wardrobed out of a fevered dream with the skins of animals and silk finery and pieces of uniform still tracked with the blood of prior owners, coats of slain dragoons, frogged and braided cavalry jackets, one in a stovepipe hat and one with an umbrella and one in white stockings and a bloodstained wedding veil and some in headgear or cranefeathers or rawhide helmets that bore the horns of bull or buffalo and one in a pigeontailed coat worn backwards and otherwise naked and one in the armor of a Spanish conquistador, the breastplate and pauldrons deeply dented with old blows of mace or sabre done in another country by men whose very bones were dust and many with their braids spliced up with the hair of other beasts until they trailed upon the ground and their horses' ears and tails worked with bits of brightly colored cloth and one whose horse's whole head was painted crimson red and all the horsemen's faces gaudy and grotesque with daubings like a company of mounted clowns, death hilarious, all howling in a barbarous tongue and riding down upon them like a horde from a hell more horrible yet than the brimstone land of Christian reckoning, screeching and yammering and clothed in smoke like those vaporous beings in regions beyond right knowing where the eye wanders and the lip jerks and drools.

Randomly pieced together from what was traded for, bought or scavaged off the murderer who scavaged it years yore from an owner whose bones are now dust.

That is Allanaki fashion, despite the tastes and wares of nobles and their aides. Fashion does exist for sure... Yet I believe for the masses? The mounds of snow and not snowflakes, it's more about...

A savage, ecelectic mess of clothes and armor that read the desperate state of existence where survival has overtaken luxuries congruent to 'quality of life'.
Title: Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
Post by: Delirium on August 29, 2016, 11:35:37 AM
Fun to imagine, but rarely fun to play out long-term. Maybe for the poorest of the poor, but like it or not, most PCs aren't that.
Title: Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
Post by: bardlyone on August 29, 2016, 12:43:18 PM
For clarity's sake, I think the Dothraki clothes were just to indicate what sandcloth looks like, as a material, not proposing those are typical commoner styles.


Yes, that is what I meant. The texture of the clothes, not the cut of them. If anything, the cut looks more tribal/luir's to me.
Title: Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
Post by: Delirium on September 29, 2016, 02:33:05 PM
Fitted pantaloons

(http://i.imgur.com/lhrcWkf.jpg)

Billowy pantaloons
(http://i.imgur.com/sIZNqHi.gif)
Title: Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
Post by: valeria on October 04, 2016, 08:26:42 AM
(http://aands.org/raisedheels/Lesson3.jpg)
Title: Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
Post by: path on October 04, 2016, 02:30:39 PM
Aw yis. Wacky stripper heels.

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/d0/7d/43/d07d43d6b0a47ca0e2a3c2966f4c0918.jpg)

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/b3/99/f3/b399f390951f79a2edf92e516c630071.jpg)
Title: Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
Post by: Hauwke on October 04, 2016, 07:35:51 PM
What in the shit is that.
Title: Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
Post by: Delirium on October 04, 2016, 10:57:05 PM
Allanaki noble footwear.
Title: Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
Post by: thewolfen3 on October 13, 2016, 05:19:32 AM
That Oashi sure looks dapper.
Title: Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
Post by: Barsook on October 24, 2016, 07:56:19 PM
Where is the next one for this series?
Title: Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
Post by: Jihelu on October 24, 2016, 08:28:22 PM
Apparently you can't make grey silk items?
Or is this a Kadian only thing?
Give me some grey silk crafts ;.;
Title: Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
Post by: manipura on October 24, 2016, 09:12:40 PM
Apparently you can't make grey silk items?
Or is this a Kadian only thing?
Give me some grey silk crafts ;.;

Mastercraft with them. :)
The only use I've found for grey silk has been as an ingredient in a mastercraft or two.

It's one of those things that got in game with no (or very few) crafts for it.  A good number of crafts that use fabric are like that.  You assume you can make the same things with all the different colours of fabric, and then...you can't. :/
Title: Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
Post by: Kankfly on October 24, 2016, 09:53:44 PM
Some of them seem more Tuluki  or tribal than Nakki to me, due to how 'revealing' it is.

Quote
Allanak is a rigidly traditional society, and this has affected the city's trends in fashion throughout the years. For example, the modesty of one's attire is considered before comfort, despite the high temperatures citizens must deal with daily. Even among nobility, style is the priority. While the body may be covered almost entirely, Allanaki fashion can nonetheless be provocative. Less bare flesh, yet more of the wearer's figure, is revealed. Hemlines are low and collars are high. Arms are sometimes left bare, though the lower a garment's neckline, the longer the sleeves.

So I'd imagine something either form-fitting that covers most of the body. I like that the lower a garment's neckline, the longer the sleeves. I also imagine the lower class wears more loose, draping clothes - layered - rather than form fitting, as that seem more high class to me.
Title: Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
Post by: Delirium on October 27, 2016, 10:53:57 AM
Meanwhile the lower classes just sorta throw together whatever they can...

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/5e/9e/4f/5e9e4f8478f4ba2119d075222e2f3803.jpg)

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/17/3c/5e/173c5ec9828f55f3f31f5b0125fbb251.jpg)

(just pretend the wool is sandcloth and the shoes are boots)

Title: Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
Post by: Cayuga on December 02, 2016, 10:31:53 AM
I'm also bumping this in focus post because I think the ideas are great and could help to serve the newer players amongst us who might not read thoroughly through the copious documentation we have.

It also serves as a refresher for older players who should know better, but have perhaps forgotten over time: it's okay. It happens. And we can fix it together.
Title: Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
Post by: Miradus on December 02, 2016, 10:48:05 AM
I'll see your fashion and raise you one AWESOME.

(http://orig04.deviantart.net/fb93/f/2013/270/0/9/desert_nomad_by_naznamy-d6o8ecd.jpg)

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/42/b3/b2/42b3b22edec65d1bb7e46d1629b6db4d.jpg)

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/c3/9f/f5/c39ff512b1c021a3c23b73c9b117b07d.jpg)
Title: Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
Post by: Cayuga on December 02, 2016, 11:44:28 AM
The last outfit would never fly in Allanak. Far too much skin showing for proper anything!
Title: Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
Post by: Riev on December 02, 2016, 11:51:31 AM
I think most important, because I forget ALL THE TIME, is that in Allanak, being covered is the norm. Linen sleeves. Robes. Long pants. etc etc... the more FORM FITTING the sexier, but you're still trying to be mostly covered.

I'm too Tuluki, at times. I want to walk around with a deep-V crew cut and my dong hanging out.
Title: Re: In Focus: Allanaki Fashions
Post by: Miradus on December 02, 2016, 12:00:30 PM

Tried to find a gladiator photo for you, Riev, but ...

Internet. Eyes scalded. Damn you, Google.