Mordiggian:
How you doin'?
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Quote from: Tetra on July 19, 2015, 10:07:09 PM
Also the idea of fading out = true RP is like the equivalent of saying, why savour your five-star meal? Just chew and swallow quickly. Let people enjoy screwing each other. It isn't real and it's consenting.
I never said that fading = true RP(whatever the hell that means). And I never said people can't enjoy mudsex all they want. Jesus.
Ah yes, back on the mudsex slice of the hate wheel. I'm also on the 'why do you care' wagon. I feel like whether I chose to roleplay a relationship or play out the sex scenes is none of anyone else's business. Relationships and sex are a huge part of the human condition, and they can be a huge part of a character's story.
Just try to picture Game of Thrones without the sex.
Also the whole less people I have to interact with idea... I don't buy it. In my experience, people generally drift toward private rooms when there aren't other people around and other things to do. Anyway, they're logged into the game. You can contact them. They're far more interactable than if they just logged out.
Waking up in a public dorm in Tuluk:
https://youtu.be/akxzP8jcmrM
I try to avoid mudsex if I'm busy doing stuff, 'cuz I'm busy doing stuff.
Quote from: valeria on July 19, 2015, 10:45:04 PM
Ah yes, back on the mudsex slice of the hate wheel. I'm also on the 'why do you care' wagon. I feel like whether I chose to roleplay a relationship or play out the sex scenes is none of anyone else's business. Relationships and sex are a huge part of the human condition, and they can be a huge part of a character's story.
Just try to picture Game of Thrones without the sex.
Also the whole less people I have to interact with idea... I don't buy it. In my experience, people generally drift toward private rooms when there aren't other people around and other things to do. Anyway, they're logged into the game. You can contact them. They're far more interactable than if they just logged out.
Game of Thrones is really easy to picture without the sex, especially these later seasons.
I think making this discussion about "why do you care" is a bit of a misrepresentation. I don't care if people are mudsexing, I most certainly don't hate mudsex, doubt anyone does. I just don't understand it. And that's where the discussion comes in, making people understand why you like mudsex beyond getting off. If people just said "I mudsex to get off." then that's pretty much where the discussion would end, and I'd say good for you, I think there's better ways to get off, but 'different strokes' so enjoy yourself.
To the last point, in my mind it's simple math. More people in places I don't go doing things I don't do = less people for me to interact with. It's not a big deal though, it likely doesn't effect me at all and certainly isn't the crux of the discussion.
Also I'd like to point out that nobody was meant to take this shit as seriously as me and Tetra took it.
Quote from: RogueGunslinger on July 19, 2015, 11:19:17 PM
Quote from: valeria on July 19, 2015, 10:45:04 PM
Ah yes, back on the mudsex slice of the hate wheel. I'm also on the 'why do you care' wagon. I feel like whether I chose to roleplay a relationship or play out the sex scenes is none of anyone else's business. Relationships and sex are a huge part of the human condition, and they can be a huge part of a character's story.
Just try to picture Game of Thrones without the sex.
Also the whole less people I have to interact with idea... I don't buy it. In my experience, people generally drift toward private rooms when there aren't other people around and other things to do. Anyway, they're logged into the game. You can contact them. They're far more interactable than if they just logged out.
Game of Thrones is really easy to picture without the sex, especially these later seasons.
I think making this discussion about "why do you care" is a bit of a misrepresentation. I don't care if people are mudsexing, I most certainly don't hate mudsex, doubt anyone does. I just don't understand it. And that's where the discussion comes in, making people understand why you like mudsex beyond getting off. If people just said "I mudsex to get off." then that's pretty much where the discussion would end, and I'd say good for you, I think there's better ways to get off, but 'different strokes' so enjoy yourself.
To the last point, in my mind it's simple math. More people in places I don't go doing things I don't do = less people for me to interact with. It's not a big deal though, it likely doesn't effect me at all and certainly isn't the crux of the discussion.
Also I'd like to point out that nobody was meant to take this shit as seriously as me and Tetra took it.
If sex isn't important, then Joffrey wouldn't have been born to tyrannize everyone. Danaerys would never have become Khalisi and been with Khal Drogo. Which means she wouldn't have eventually conquered Mereen. etc etc etc.
It's heavily entrenched in the plot.
And much like in a fade, that can all be represented without showing a dick enter a vagina. And there are FAR more needless sex/nudity scenes in GoT than there are ones that advance the plot.
Quote from: RogueGunslinger on July 19, 2015, 11:19:17 PM
Quote from: valeria on July 19, 2015, 10:45:04 PM
Ah yes, back on the mudsex slice of the hate wheel. I'm also on the 'why do you care' wagon. I feel like whether I chose to roleplay a relationship or play out the sex scenes is none of anyone else's business. Relationships and sex are a huge part of the human condition, and they can be a huge part of a character's story.
Just try to picture Game of Thrones without the sex.
Also the whole less people I have to interact with idea... I don't buy it. In my experience, people generally drift toward private rooms when there aren't other people around and other things to do. Anyway, they're logged into the game. You can contact them. They're far more interactable than if they just logged out.
Game of Thrones is really easy to picture without the sex, especially these later seasons.
I think making this discussion about "why do you care" is a bit of a misrepresentation. I don't care if people are mudsexing, I most certainly don't hate mudsex, doubt anyone does. I just don't understand it. And that's where the discussion comes in, making people understand why you like mudsex beyond getting off. If people just said "I mudsex to get off." then that's pretty much where the discussion would end, and I'd say good for you, I think there's better ways to get off, but 'different strokes' so enjoy yourself.
To the last point, in my mind it's simple math. More people in places I don't go doing things I don't do = less people for me to interact with. It's not a big deal though, it likely doesn't effect me at all and certainly isn't the crux of the discussion.
Also I'd like to point out that nobody was meant to take this shit as seriously as me and Tetra took it.
I like RPing out some of the fooling around but not all of it. Enough to establish tics and quirks in the act, and what may or may not be tendencies of the character. Because those flesh the pc out. Because you may not realize that you bite the corner of your lip/tug at your earring/tend to wag your brows at/(whatever) people you're into, but someone with a vested interest in you would definitely pick up on that. Same with about a thousand other things. If you whisper something tender in the throes, is it in another language/accent? Do you have a particular look you only trot out when you're fooling around/(again, whatever). There's like a million tiny points of things that are roleplay hooks that can be involved in stuff.
It really doesn't do anything for me as a player, sensually or sexually. I've been married over a decade. I just like that it's another avenue that can be used to develop character. But then I've been up to 6 am not sleeping and solo roleplaying playing an instrument in private before. It it what it is. I think the problem is that achiever types and 'social roleplay' types tend to be at odds anyhow, and this is something which is fully social and not remotely achievement related (in a coded way, but absolutely can be achievement related in a social way), and because the people are at odds in a general way, it just becomes more vicious when one brings in specifics.
Quote from: RogueGunslinger on July 19, 2015, 11:27:17 PM
And much like in a fade, that can all be represented without showing a dick enter a vagina. And there are FAR more needless sex/nudity scenes in GoT than there are ones that advance the plot.
Nobody is forcing you to watch the act. And ICly you wouldn't even be able to (unless high-karma things). So again, what does it matter to you if people gratuitously explain the smushing of body parts? Like really, what great inconvenience does this impart?
Quote from: Tetra on July 19, 2015, 11:33:47 PM
Quote from: RogueGunslinger on July 19, 2015, 11:27:17 PM
And much like in a fade, that can all be represented without showing a dick enter a vagina. And there are FAR more needless sex/nudity scenes in GoT than there are ones that advance the plot.
Nobody is forcing you to watch the act. And ICly you wouldn't even be able to (unless high-karma things). So again, what does it matter to you if people gratuitously explain the smushing of body parts? Like really, what great inconvenience does this impart?
You can achieve it with 0 requests or sponsored roles, damn near instantly from character creation and it is its own form of achievement. AKA you don't need to "grind" to -grind- and that is frustrating! :) <3 I'm with you though, Tetra. You can fade, but if you do, unless there's a shitload of discussion about technique and how special x/y/z is, my pc's gonna be like 'Uh... I guess they were alright in bed' if it ever comes up, and usually be pretty lukewarm about the experience because I lack the details to know how they would've reacted to the minutia of the situation.
tl;dr: Sometimes the impossibly tight cunted f-me is played by a woman. But you can bet the woman's not doing it to get off OOC and there might be a whole lot of stuff (rp related, as a result thereof) coming as a result one day. Also, if you don't get that a 1-2 emote fade can't convey the thousand tiny details that 2 hours of an actual scene might, there's a good chance you're missing a lot of where the player who does get that is coming from.
PS: It's nice once you get to a point that most things can be faded while still knowing all the tiny details of the PC in question. But there's a good chance that it's not the first time. We can gloss it all over with a single emote, but there's a reason why people who like bards enjoy bardic performances more than the single canned output of 'play instrument' - and it's for the roleplay. It's really the same principle with fooling around, and I don't get how others can't get that unless they 1. never fool around, or 2. fool around only to OOCly get off. ???
Why do you keep asking me why it matters. If I only talked about the things that mattered to me I wouldn't have over 15,000 posts. Also I -just- addressed that idea:
Quote from: RogueGunslinger on July 19, 2015, 11:19:17 PM
I think making this discussion about "why do you care" is a bit of a misrepresentation. I don't care if people are mudsexing, I most certainly don't hate mudsex, doubt anyone does. I just don't understand it. And that's where the discussion comes in, making people understand why you like mudsex beyond getting off. If people just said "I mudsex to get off." then that's pretty much where the discussion would end, and I'd say good for you, I think there's better ways to get off, but 'different strokes' so enjoy yourself.
Quote from: bardlyone on July 19, 2015, 11:43:25 PM
Quote from: Tetra on July 19, 2015, 11:33:47 PM
Quote from: RogueGunslinger on July 19, 2015, 11:27:17 PM
And much like in a fade, that can all be represented without showing a dick enter a vagina. And there are FAR more needless sex/nudity scenes in GoT than there are ones that advance the plot.
Nobody is forcing you to watch the act. And ICly you wouldn't even be able to (unless high-karma things). So again, what does it matter to you if people gratuitously explain the smushing of body parts? Like really, what great inconvenience does this impart?
PS: It's nice once you get to a point that most things can be faded while still knowing all the tiny details of the PC in question. But there's a good chance that it's not the first time. We can gloss it all over with a single emote, but there's a reason why people who like bards enjoy bardic performances more than the single canned output of 'play instrument' - and it's for the roleplay. It's really the same principle with fooling around, and I don't get how others can't get that unless they 1. never fool around, or 2. fool around only to OOCly get off. ???
No doubt there's a lot of things to be learned about your relationship through intimate moments, I just think most of the learning that matters, story and character-wise, stops when the mudsex starts. Flirting, heavy petting/makeout, undressing and intimate conversation... Not really what I include into my definition of mudsex. That's just relationship roleplay. Two partners lazing in bed after they've done the deed is a very popular trope that I think works great for character building and storytelling. And the frantic scenes of two new lovers bumping into things while they strip down and head for the bed, also a common trope that works pretty well for me. I wouldn't consider those as "mudsex scenes" as they can come before and after the fade.
Mudsex to me is the sex scene in a movie or TV show. 99% of the time it's there to attract casual views through erotic content. It's not there for story progression or to delve deeper into a characters psyche. There are, of course, exceptions. What doesn't work for me in a storytelling sense are sex scenes of two naked bodies thrusting with soft-cuts between positions and showing hands gripping sheets in ecstasy and moaning with close-ups on their somehow still perfect makeup and hairdo.
I find mudsecks to be a lot like reading a good book with a tasteful sex scene in it. The Dresden Files, for instance, wouldn't be nearly as interesting 15 books in if Harry didn't have raunchy baby-making sex in book 3.
That said: Yes, sometimes it feels like people are just doing it because woo, sex. But we're also trying to keep our characters as real people. Real people want to smoosh genitalia against other genitalia. Sometimes, like what Bardlyone said, it brings forth character quirks either player wouldn't have known about previously. Sometimes you catch an STD, sometimes you catch a parasite growing in a womb. Sometimes you fuck your worst enemy to get close to them to stab them through the throat.
For the record: I am mostly joking. I just find The Shaleah Defense (tm) to be funny.
We have a world in which people are consistently disemboweling others with bone forks, flaying skin, sewing eyes shut, chopping off heads to put on pikes, and dragging miles of entrails around an arena floor while little kids wave plushie severed hands about - yet the description of a rough and tumble is seen as something bad?
Now that's just silly. ;)
(Be careful, that fella on the other end, emoting the slow, painful removal of your limbs might be getting off on that as well! :o)
if people just faded to black all the time, I could never pop out of the closet and yell "surprise" mid-thrust. what would I do with my Tuesday nights?
keep on sexin'. if anything, people should be more upset about gratuitous torture scenes than sex scenes (not that I'm upset by either - combine them for me, even).
and yeah, in the middle of an intensely intimate moment that you didn't skip, you might discover something about a character
Quote from: RogueGunslinger on July 20, 2015, 12:07:10 AM
Why do you keep asking me why it matters. If I only talked about the things that mattered to me I wouldn't have over 15,000 posts. Also I -just- addressed that idea:
Quote from: RogueGunslinger on July 19, 2015, 11:19:17 PM
I think making this discussion about "why do you care" is a bit of a misrepresentation. I don't care if people are mudsexing, I most certainly don't hate mudsex, doubt anyone does. I just don't understand it. And that's where the discussion comes in, making people understand why you like mudsex beyond getting off. If people just said "I mudsex to get off." then that's pretty much where the discussion would end, and I'd say good for you, I think there's better ways to get off, but 'different strokes' so enjoy yourself.
When I say "why do you care" it's more a general sense of, why do other people have to like it/understand it?
Like, how many people understand why you play Armageddon? If they don't understand you having fun, does that diminish your enjoyment of the game?
If someone wants to get a handjob instead of a blowie do you interject your opinion of what sexual act is better because of a burning need to 'understand'?
Just your friendly moderator stopping by with a reminder to keep the discussion polite.
One score years ago, a great staffer, in whose symbolic shadow we stand today, created the consent system. This momentous decree came as a great beacon light of hope to thousands of mudsexers who had been seared in the flames of withering injustice. It came as a joyous daybreak to end the long night of their persecution. But twenty years later, the mudsexer still is not free. Twenty years later, the life of the mudsexer is still sadly crippled by the manacles of segregation and the chains of discrimination. Twenty years later, the mudsexer lives on a lonely island of scorn in the midst of a vast ocean of social roleplay. Twenty years later, the mudsexer is still languished in the corners of Armageddon society and finds himself an exile in his own land. And so we've come here today to dramatize a shameful condition.
We have come to this hallowed board to remind Armageddon of the fierce urgency of Now. This is no time to engage in the luxury of cooling off or to take the tranquilizing drug of gradualism. Now is the time to make real the promises of mudsex. Now is the time to rise from the dark and desolate valley of segregation to the sunlit path of sexy justice. Now is the time to lift our community from the quicksands of mudsex injustice to the solid rock of brotherhood. Now is the time to make justice a reality for all of Armageddon's players. It would be fatal for the community to overlook the urgency of the moment. This sweltering summer of the mudsexer's legitimate discontent will not pass until there is an invigorating autumn of freedom and equality. Two-thousand and fifteen is not an end, but a beginning. And those who hope that the mudsexer needed to blow off steam and will now be content will have a rude awakening if the community returns to business as usual. And there will be neither rest nor tranquility in Armageddon until the mudsexer is granted his due respect. The whirlwinds of revolt will continue to shake the foundations of our community until the bright day of justice emerges. But there is something that I must say to my people, who stand on the warm threshold which leads into the palace of justice: In the process of gaining our rightful place, we must not be guilty of wrongful deeds. Let us not seek to satisfy our thirst for mudsex by drinking from the cup of bitterness and hatred. We must forever conduct our struggle on the high plane of dignity and discipline. We must not allow our creative protest to degenerate into twinking. Again and again, we must rise to the majestic heights of meeting physical force with mudsex roleplay.
We cannot mudsex alone.
And as we mudsex, we must make the pledge that we shall always mudsex.
We cannot turn back.
There are those who are asking the devotees of mudsex, "When will you be satisfied?" We can never be satisfied as long as the mudsex is the victim of the unspeakable horrors of gdb shaming. We can never be satisfied as long as our characters, heavy with the fatigue of mudsex, cannot gain respect in the minds of our fellow players. I am not unmindful that some of you have come here out of great trials and tribulations. Some of you have come from areas where your quest -- quest for mudsex and respect left you battered by the storms of persecution and staggered by the winds of gdb judging. You have been the veterans of creative suffering. Continue to work with the faith that unearned suffering is redemptive. Go back to Allanak, go back to Luir's, go back to Red Storm, go back to the slums and ghettos of our 'rinth, knowing that somehow this situation can and will be changed.
Let us not wallow in the valley of despair, I say to you today, my friends.And so even though we face the difficulties of today and tomorrow, I still have a dream. It is a dream deeply rooted in Armageddon.
I have a dream that one day on the red sands of Zalanthas, the new characters of former prudes and the new characters of mudsexers will be able to sit down together and mudsex.
I have a dream that one day even the city of Allanak, sweltering with the heat of injustice, sweltering with the heat of oppression, will be transformed into an oasis of mudsex.
I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a community where they will not be judged by their mudsex but by the content of their roleplay.
I have a dream today!
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This is the classiest thread.
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I'd say that mudsex helped me more than anything else to finally get the hang of a lot of the less commonly-used emote targeting symbols.
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I think Yam reminded me recently of a character of his that had cocks tattooed all over its face. That's all the mudsex I want in my game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQ_F4hMYp8U
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Quote from: valeria on July 19, 2015, 10:45:04 PM
Ah yes, back on the mudsex slice of the hate wheel. I'm also on the 'why do you care' wagon. I feel like whether I chose to roleplay a relationship or play out the sex scenes is none of anyone else's business. Relationships and sex are a huge part of the human condition, and they can be a huge part of a character's story.
Just try to picture Game of Thrones without the sex.
Also the whole less people I have to interact with idea... I don't buy it. In my experience, people generally drift toward private rooms when there aren't other people around and other things to do. Anyway, they're logged into the game. You can contact them. They're far more interactable than if they just logged out.
Agreed.
Quote from: Is Friday on July 20, 2015, 02:44:26 PM
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Classic.
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If someone gives you the run around for a RL month, I'd imagine they are gonna fade. Otherwise, you'd likely get:
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And dragged off to their apartment.
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Quote from: KankWhisperer on July 20, 2015, 03:43:43 PM
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That reminds me, is "elves having orgies" a thing? I remember when I started playing a long time ago that I heard in game that elves supposedly had tons of orgies and were polyamorous more often than not. But now I am thinking that was just a comment in respect to the elven characters in game at that time.
The longer I play the more it seems that anything goes besides the obvious cultural rules (only high borns can get married, interspecies hankypanky is bad, humping gickers is bad).
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This game has become puritanical.
Since when is MUDsex a bad thing? I used to MUDsex. I enjoyed it! Eventually I got bored of it, but this wasn't a good thing. My fantasy life is poorer off for this.
If people are having MUDsex, good for them. People play this game for different reasons. Trying to chorale people into playing the same way that you do is not cool.
Quote from: ibusoe on July 20, 2015, 07:34:32 PM
This game has become puritanical.
Since when is MUDsex a bad thing? I used to MUDsex. I enjoyed it! Eventually I got bored of it, but this wasn't a good thing. My fantasy life is poorer off for this.
If people are having MUDsex, good for them. People play this game for different reasons. Trying to chorale people into playing the same way that you do is not cool.
That's all well and good but:
When you're in your late 40's/early 50's, and sharing the equivalent of text porn with a 17-year-old kid, it's not good. It's creepy.
And...
When you choose to fade, and your character's boyfriend dumps your character, and you find out it's because you prefer to fade, it's not good. It's creepy.
This thread's amazing.
Anyhow, what I will say is this, I've done some longer relationships with people on an IC basis where faded and then others where mudsex. Usually, the second one does add further dimension to the character. Honestly, sometimes the mudsex can be troublesome, and it can be just the same old thing other times. Sometimes, that isn't the case though. Sometimes, there's an assassin in the room, and he wants you to disrobe as well. Stop leaving all your armor on you and fading so you never die, dammit.
My overall thoughts, mudsex is a thing. It's neither good nor bad, but quite a few on the GDB do seem to suggest it's a 'low' thing to do, or attach some negativity to it. Which is stupid. Everthing in Armageddon is text on a screen meant to entertain. If you weren't entertained by text on a screen, you wouldn't play the game. Don't judge them for sex on a screen as an implementation of their personal desires, if you're torturing and murdering on a screen. Cause that adds some weirdness to what's going on in *your* head.
To add some seriousness, I do think this is a thing. There are the sex and the sex-nots. And the sex-nots who ftb will sometimes lack that "sex as a weapon" angle, because some folks are looking for real wank material.
Woe is me, right?
This thread lol.
I agree with Lizzie and just found out I might be a lady in her late 40's/early 50's.
Quote from: Kismetic on July 20, 2015, 07:57:50 PM
To add some seriousness, I do think this is a thing. There are the sex and the sex-nots. And the sex-nots who ftb will sometimes lack that "sex as a weapon" angle, because some folks are looking for real wank material.
Woe is me, right?
It's all right. I prefer the 'weapon as a weapon' angle, anyways.
I don't look down on mudsexers, though. It takes a certain fortitude to spend that much time, getting detailed about something so specific, while having to use Armageddon's emoting syntax for it. It's actually a little bit impressive.
Fade to black for me has less to do with prudishness, and more with laziness.
To be fair though, that puts you roughly in line with having been a nerdy person in your twenties/thirties when the game really started, right? Which isn't so bad. Then again, my Armageddon timeline is lacking. Either way. I do think people should do their best to mitigate any reaction to IC based on the OOC dislike of fades, if that's a thing for them. Acting different, without reason on an IC basis for the OOC differences found in fading or not is poor form. That still extends to acting like the fact people mudsex makes them any lower than anyone else. That'd be like poking fun on 40's/50's year old people playing a fantasy text game entrenched in violence and corruption.
Mudsex is hilarious.
But honestly, if I play characters, I like to play them like they're people, and people tend to like relationships and sex so it happens sometimes.
I'm a big fan of R-Rated mudsex scenes versus XXX rated. Plenty of pre-sex build up, and post-sex pillow talk, but only have a handful of emotes to cover the graphic stuff. Saves a bunch of time, and maximizes the RP potential.
I have never been dumped for fading the squick. This makes me happy.
Quote from: wizturbo on July 20, 2015, 08:29:58 PM
I'm a big fan of R-Rated mudsex scenes versus XXX rated. Plenty of pre-sex build up, and post-sex pillow talk, but only have a handful of emotes to cover the graphic stuff. Saves a bunch of time, and maximizes the RP potential.
That's how I like to do it as well.
Quote from: valeria on July 20, 2015, 08:39:22 PM
I have never been dumped for fading the squick. This makes me happy.
I've had a character dumped because I faded. Feels bad, man. This was in another game, though.
I'm surprised by all the discussion here. Is there really that much to say about mudsex? As others have said, this game regularly encourages all kinds of horrific behavior by the characters. Torturing, maiming, dismembering. And you people want to discuss whether mudsexers are horrible people?
Give me a break.
Quote from: Alesan on July 20, 2015, 08:59:46 PM
I'm surprised by all the discussion here. Is there really that much to say about mudsex? As others have said, this game regularly encourages all kinds of horrific behavior by the characters. Torturing, maiming, dismembering. And you people want to discuss whether mudsexers are horrible people?
Give me a break.
I think they were debating whether it had any substance, but that's generally my outlook on things.
Edit: When I come to play a game where I beat people to death with the bones of my enemies, I come to play.
Quote from: Kismetic on July 20, 2015, 07:57:50 PM
To add some seriousness, I do think this is a thing. There are the sex and the sex-nots. And the sex-nots who ftb will sometimes lack that "sex as a weapon" angle, because some folks are looking for real wank material.
Woe is me, right?
Woe is me.
But in the end, while I'd like to have the time, and the emoting talent to use that tool, and it makes me mad that I feel at a disadvantage in that I don't and therefore believe all mudsex should be banned to put me back in even footing, really I don't get why this is a thing.
Whatever people want to do, let them do it. Just like I don't care what other people do in their bedrooms in real life, I don't care what they do in the virtual bedrooms.
Don't want to? Don't. Want to? Go ahead. Just don't make other people feel uncomfortable.
Quote from: Is Friday on July 20, 2015, 12:15:36 AM
For the record: I am mostly joking. I just find The Shaleah Defense (tm) to be funny.
Yeah. I gotta know: What
is The Shaleah Defense (tm)?
Seeker
Quote from: Seeker on July 20, 2015, 10:05:21 PM
Quote from: Is Friday on July 20, 2015, 12:15:36 AM
For the record: I am mostly joking. I just find The Shaleah Defense (tm) to be funny.
Yeah. I gotta know: What is The Shaleah Defense (tm)?
Seeker
I think she's like, from New Jersey or something, and female, and hispanic or something, so working on my knowledge of stereotypes, it's where you get really loud and start waving your hands and getting inappropriately physical until anyone who disagrees with you backs down or is provoked into a chargeable assault.
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For the record: I am mostly joking. I just find The Shaleah Defense (tm) to be funny.
Yeah. I gotta know: What is The Shaleah Defense (tm)?
Seeker
I think she's like, from New Jersey or something, and female, and hispanic or something, so working on my knowledge of stereotypes, it's where you get really loud and start waving your hands and getting inappropriately physical until anyone who disagrees with you backs down or is provoked into a chargeable assault.
And you're like a bigot.
I thought the winkie face would be unnecessary. ::)
When in doubt, smiley. Especially in our very serious mudsex thread.
Quote from: valeria on July 20, 2015, 10:50:12 PM
When in doubt, smiley. Especially in our very serious mudsex thread.
ey bb u wan sum fux ;)
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For the record: I am mostly joking. I just find The Shaleah Defense (tm) to be funny.
Yeah. I gotta know: What is The Shaleah Defense (tm)?
Seeker
Yeah me too.
Quote from: Synthesis on July 20, 2015, 10:14:41 PM
I think she's like, from New Jersey or something, and female, and hispanic or something, so working on my knowledge of stereotypes, it's where you get really loud and start waving your hands and getting inappropriately physical until anyone who disagrees with you backs down or is provoked into a chargeable assault.
Pretty sure it's not THAT. I think. Plus I'm not FROM Jersey, I live here. I'm -from- Puerto Rico which is worse cause we'll machete you like a rodent scurrying across our floor and spooking us. No lie.
ShaLeah's 'mudsex' definition - people typing out sex scenes on the mud to get off irl, fapfapfappers (or twiddletwiddledoodlers?) - lots of these seem to end up RL couples and shit. That's not roleplaying out sex scenes, that's getting off on interactive porn/erotica.
I call roleplaying sex scenes... roleplaying sex scenes - Difference between that up there and my thoughts? It's ic'ly appropriate and I'm not over here wanking my shit?
I don't personally give a fuck what the person on the other side is doing (or their 5mnt pauses) though. I type that shit like metagamers spam from Nak to Luirs, effortlessly and quite bored.
Maybe people get so frigid/offended/self-righteous/judgmental cause even in the slightest degree it can be arousing? I dunno. I know IsFriday confessed to reading a log of one of my characters doing something and he said it was hot. Maybe the ShaLeah defense is just him trying to get a rise out of me like reading my log got a rise out of him? :o
:-*
There's the Shaleah Defense.
edit:
lol, it was better than 50 Shades of Grey.
You moved TO New Jersey..?
But... why?
Does anybody actually get off on mudsex, though? I'd think there was too much time taken to get through a scene. That's a lotta rubbing and tugging. Like, a lotta. I mean, if they do, I suppose more power to them, but I can't imagine how that would work at such a slow pace.
Quote from: The7DeadlyVenomz on July 21, 2015, 12:18:14 AM
Does anybody actually get off on mudsex, though? I'd think there was too much time taken to get through a scene. That's a lotta rubbing and tugging. Like, a lotta. I mean, if they do, I suppose more power to them, but I can't imagine how that would work at such a slow pace.
I don't think I can give a detailed answer to this without coming off as uber creepy. So I will just answer your question. Yes.
i just browse xhamster while my inix is resting
I watch funny youtube videos while waiting for the other person to emote back.
Quote from: Rolav on July 21, 2015, 12:17:31 AM
You moved TO New Jersey..?
But... why?
Husband #4
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Quote from: Rolav on July 21, 2015, 12:17:31 AM
You moved TO New Jersey..?
But... why?
Husband #4
psh...in Puerto Rico she's just average
in the U.S. she's boss
Quote from: wizturbo on July 20, 2015, 08:29:58 PM
I'm a big fan of R-Rated mudsex scenes versus XXX rated. Plenty of pre-sex build up, and post-sex pillow talk, but only have a handful of emotes to cover the graphic stuff. Saves a bunch of time, and maximizes the RP potential.
I guess it's a testament to the nature of my Armageddon existence, but I've had only one long-term romantic relationship ICly. Because the character in question was just so awesome to hang around with, it ended up making the best sense. That's exactly what we did. It still took fucking forever. To the point where I'm surprised we didn't starve to death at some point.
It was good RP. And it all ended very tragically in suitably Armageddon fashion.
It helps if you really enjoy talking to the person, regardless of anything else.
Reading mudsex logs from the bloodloss code days are funny, watching them starve and lose stun because their hp has gotten so low.
You know, I'd always kind of thought that the fuck-me babes were being played by people who were principally interested in MUDsex.
I'm not making fun of them. I've just never thought in my interactions with them that they were all that into leveling their characters, or in the other aspects of the game related to the harsh post-apocalyptic setting. My theory about them was that the harshness of the game was what made the game realistic, and the realism is what allowed these people to suspend disbelief, and the suspension of disbelief was what allowed them to get off?
But this is like 90% conjecture. The only things I've really got to support it was that the worst of the fuck-me babes like never got into desert exploration, and never played criminal characters. They all seem kind of bland, but never to the point of being complaint-worthy.
It's funny to hear kids complain about this stuff now, because back in the day we used to have a boat load of these type of players. Like Friday night at the Gaj was not Friday night without a couple of bored housewives (er, transgendered?) trolling the bar for bored Bynners and what have you. I haven't even seen someone like this in a while. I'm surprised it's bad enough to bother them.
Can we move on to the Magicker part of the hate cycle? It's more interesting.
zzzz sexshame zzzz repressedIF zzzzz
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Me on a typical Friday evening, enjoying some wine and Armageddon. #boredhousewife #mudsexhours #fme #dontjudgeme
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You know, I just realized, maybe the stereotypical housewife likes it because it requires less attention. You just bang in an emote every couple minutes while you're distracted with the baby puking and the toddler trying to poke a fork into a light socket. Well that and because anything is better than being bored. #onlysortoftongueincheek
Quote from: Delirium on July 21, 2015, 09:14:59 AM
You know, I just realized, maybe the stereotypical housewife likes it because it requires less attention. You just bang in an emote every couple minutes while you're distracted with the baby puking and the toddler trying to poke a fork into a light socket. Well that and because anything is better than being bored. #onlysortoftongueincheek
As a bored housewife, you may be on to something.
Also... sex as a weapon is a lot more dangerous when you're actually experiencing the sex. It does for me at least.
My pc breaks up with yours because you faded? It wasn't because I wanted to get myself off to smut. It was because I can't imagine more than the vaguest details of what their actual sexual dynamic and chemistry is, as a player, to judge what my character's response would be. The only sensible response is 'they were unremarkable' as to how the two personally fit together on that level. Then again, if my pc is going to be tortured (or torturing someone else), I want to play that out as well in detail, because otherwise I don't know the gruesome details for how it affects the character. I'd rather you just kill my pc than do a bunch of faded torture stuff, because of course the torture is going to leave them with some level of ptsd about it, and I won't know what the specific triggers would be if it's faded.
It's funny. I like detail in the roleplay, or else the roleplay is something I pass up. I'm also less likely to have an interest in involvement with your pc if they aren't perceptibly hemoting, because I can't read their body language/attention/tics as well. It's just less input to go off of.
I used to mudsex an unseemly amount. Never jacked it while doing so, but I did "get off". Sort of like how I laughed really hard at something funny IG, or cried when something super sad happened, or got enraged while my character got enraged, or thrilled by an adventure. The immersion and passion transports you. It's the point of playing the game.
I can understand why some would be squicked by it, though, for various reasons. Fades are just fine in my book, and often expedient. I just wanted to point out that one can be a fucknasty mudsexxxer and not be doing it for wank material.
Also, as a member of a RL Arm couple, I just want to say for the record that I never mudsexed my lovely wife before or after we got together. I had to win her heart with my rugged good looks and immense charm, not my florid descriptions of 'gicker sex. I could never stand to play around people I knew well IRL, anyway. :P
This is a big whatever. We've all tried it, I bet.
I had a character that frequently had lovers because I wanted to make this promiscuity a tangible part of his persona. I roleplayed out scenes on that guy, it was pretty much what I expected mudsex to be.
Another character I had, he and his partner came up with so much funny crap while in sexual scenes that we commonly roleplayed out scenes for the laughs. We got in trouble for using too much OOC, woops.
I think the shame and judgment for mudsex may be as much generated from yourselves than any one person (other than Is Friday) jumping on your case. Relax, it's just a game. :)
Some points from an experienced mudsexer:
* I love mudsex like I love a lot of different things on this game, and others.
** I also love exploring and combat and finding neat new items, and figuring out what I can do within the code.
*** But I don't overkill any of the above or center my PC's life on it or I feel like my experience becomes too narrow, unrealistic, and boring.
* If my PC finds a partner that's creative and good at mudsex I'm usually open to doing it a bit more often. But still not all the time.
** At the same time, if that same partner only ever seems to want to mudsex, I get bored with them. Similar to real life, someone you enjoy mudsexing will be interesting until the mudsex is over. Then they better have something else to offer or they're boring.
* In my experience an interesting character is far more attractive than one with an attractive description, to both genders.
** That said, a nicely written desc of an attractive male without going overboard with it will, realistically, be noticed by my PC, because that's realistic.
* A female PC who doesn't even mention her boobs in her description is unrealistic to me. You might not like it, everyone notices your chest. It's been studied - your boobs are the first thing most other homo sapiens will notice when they see you, girls!
** That said, not everyone needs to have big boobs. Small boobs won't stop you from getting mudsex, trust me - how interesting your PC is and how good a roleplayer you are will get you more virtual ass than anything else.
*** Not everyone who has big boobs, hips, or a butt, or who is attractive is committing some kind of crime or is automatically a mudsex fiend. People have big boobs, hips, and butts in real life. On the female figure they are prominent features. People are sometimes attractive. Get over it.
**** Attractive people often have to put considerable effort into it to be that way. Keep that in mind.
* If you're going to mudsex, please mudsex at a reasonable rate of speed. The best mudsex isn't rushed, but definitely doesn't overstay its welcome.
** This includes both how quickly you put out an emote and how long the session actually lasts. Be realistic.
Quote from: In Dreams on July 21, 2015, 01:54:59 PM
You might not like it, everyone notices your chest. It's been studied - your boobs are the first thing most other homo sapiens will notice when they see you, girls!
I know it's some kind of monkey math that my primitive lizard brain is doing, but this is true. I still don't think we have to describe every living detail of a character, either, though. Giving a vague outline to combine with the personality lets the reader build their own image.
I mean, if you want to write twenty line descriptions, fine, but there's a lot of reading already involved in this game, and a reasonable standard of response time for says/emotes.
Quote from: In Dreams on July 21, 2015, 01:54:59 PM
A female PC who doesn't even mention her boobs in her description is unrealistic to me. You might not like it, everyone notices your chest. It's been studied - your boobs are the first thing most other homo sapiens will notice when they see you, girls!
I very much disagree with the first part of this. I believe it's far from unrealistic, regardless of whether or not the average person out there makes a note to look at boobs before anything. There's nothing wrong with someone adding the mention into their description if they want, regardless of the size/shape/whatever, but people who don't are doing nothing unreal. Maybe they're describing an average build - in which there'd be no reason to add in additional wording to emphasize that the breasts are average. Maybe it's mentioned in general that the character has a curvy form, in which one might assume a decent size, or minimal size for say a scrawny form?
The only time I'd say a mention is really a pseudo-requirement is if there's something standout about them. Excessive size, one cut off, etc. On average, they're going to be covered by clothing/armor most of the time as it is, in which case, when the cloth comes off, let the character's player explain what you're seeing for the first time.
Or many other reasons, such as a character that purposefully uses a vague description of their form, and then uses clothing/stuffing/wraps, etc to enhance/negate their shape through the use of tdesc.
I hardly ever describe my PC's boobs. I'm of the mind that keeping it concise is more important than to make sure everyone can perfectly picture my virtual breasts. No one remembers more than 3 details about your PC without referencing the desc, anyway.
If having a big ass or tits is part of the PC and it's interesting, I'll add it in there. But more importantly: if I'm not putting my PC out there to be sexualized, that's my decision. Just like others can gab about how perfectly kalan or melon their breasts are.
It is known every male homo sapient looks at female boobs first. Or is my knowing need revision? So far, only my male PC's priotize that looking.
They "look at" them first unless specifically willed otherwise, but at least from what I've read, all people notice that you have them, plus generally the size/shape, because it's a marker of sex, age, and fertility, which is also is going to determine in many ways how you interact with this other person. One of those instinct things.
But we're getting a little stuck on the boob thing. I know they're an interesting topic, but that wasn't the whole of my post!
But... this is Zalanthas. With non-stereotypical gender norms. I feel like trying to reinforce expectations here will only lead to a dead horse conversation. So. Who gives a shit?
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Quote from: In Dreams on July 21, 2015, 01:54:59 PM
You might not like it, everyone notices your chest. It's been studied - your boobs are the first thing most other homo sapiens will notice when they see you, girls!
I know it's some kind of monkey math that my primitive lizard brain is doing, but this is true. I still don't think we have to describe every living detail of a character, either, though. Giving a vague outline to combine with the personality lets the reader build their own image.
I mean, if you want to write twenty line descriptions, fine, but there's a lot of reading already involved in this game, and a reasonable standard of response time for says/emotes.
I define the general figure of my character, but I don't devote an entire sentence to the shape and size of her breasts. I figure it's enough to get an idea, without going into unnecessary detail. I wonder. How many male characters have had their packages described in any way?
And I really don't believe that just because we notice these things in real life means we should always describe them in our character descriptions. Maybe you like twenty line descriptions, but I never read them, and I won't write them, either.
Quote from: In Dreams on July 21, 2015, 01:54:59 PM
Some points from an experienced mudsexer:
* I love mudsex like I love a lot of different things on this game, and others.
** I also love exploring and combat and finding neat new items, and figuring out what I can do within the code.
*** But I don't overkill any of the above or center my PC's life on it or I feel like my experience becomes too narrow, unrealistic, and boring.
* If my PC finds a partner that's creative and good at mudsex I'm usually open to doing it a bit more often. But still not all the time.
** At the same time, if that same partner only ever seems to want to mudsex, I get bored with them. Similar to real life, someone you enjoy mudsexing will be interesting until the mudsex is over. Then they better have something else to offer or they're boring.
* In my experience an interesting character is far more attractive than one with an attractive description, to both genders.
** That said, a nicely written desc of an attractive male without going overboard with it will, realistically, be noticed by my PC, because that's realistic.
* A female PC who doesn't even mention her boobs in her description is unrealistic to me. You might not like it, everyone notices your chest. It's been studied - your boobs are the first thing most other homo sapiens will notice when they see you, girls!
** That said, not everyone needs to have big boobs. Small boobs won't stop you from getting mudsex, trust me - how interesting your PC is and how good a roleplayer you are will get you more virtual ass than anything else.
*** Not everyone who has big boobs, hips, or a butt, or who is attractive is committing some kind of crime or is automatically a mudsex fiend. People have big boobs, hips, and butts in real life. On the female figure they are prominent features. People are sometimes attractive. Get over it.
**** Attractive people often have to put considerable effort into it to be that way. Keep that in mind.
* If you're going to mudsex, please mudsex at a reasonable rate of speed. The best mudsex isn't rushed, but definitely doesn't overstay its welcome.
** This includes both how quickly you put out an emote and how long the session actually lasts. Be realistic.
My pcs will disappoint you. We'll both need to be OK with that. :)
Quote from: In Dreams on July 21, 2015, 02:38:14 PM
They "look at" them first unless specifically willed otherwise, but at least from what I've read, all people notice that you have them, plus generally the size/shape, because it's a marker of sex, age, and fertility, which is also is going to determine in many ways how you interact with this other person. One of those instinct things.
But we're getting a little stuck on the boob thing. I know they're an interesting topic, but that wasn't the whole of my post!
I really want to clear this up that this is not an 'every male does this' situation. Please don't try to stereotype fifty percent of the population into being tit-seeking lustful men.
I don't think she was talking explicitly about males, duderino. Comprehension, you has not it, today.
Quote from: Alesan on July 21, 2015, 02:40:37 PM
How many male characters have had their packages described in any way?
Thaaaanks for the opening sentence of my next PC's desc.
Quote from: Alesan on July 21, 2015, 02:40:37 PMHow many male characters have had their packages described in any way?
Apples and oranges! If a male's penis was right smack in the middle of their chest and sticking out at you everywhere it went, it should probably be mentioned in their desc.
Fortunately it's not!
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Quote from: In Dreams on July 21, 2015, 02:51:47 PM
Quote from: Alesan on July 21, 2015, 02:40:37 PMHow many male characters have had their packages described in any way?
Apples and oranges! If a male's penis was right smack in the middle of their chest and sticking out at you everywhere it went, it should probably be mentioned in their desc.
Fortunately it's not!
I happen to look at legs first. Men, women, doesn't matter. I have a thing for legs. Not everyone describes their legs in their mdesc.
I'm a sad panda.
Thing is, just because you look at boobs first doesn't mean that everyone (man, woman, or somewhere else on the gender spectrum) does.
I am now struggling on how to play a male human PC right.
We can state our preferences, but let's not tell each other how to write our pcs. You write yours. I'll write mine. He'll write his. We'll react as we each see fit.
But.... Men are Different? Like breeds, elves, etc? ???
Sorry, I'll stick to my knitting. Bye.
Quote from: valeria on July 19, 2015, 10:45:04 PMI feel like whether I chose to roleplay a relationship or play out the sex scenes is none of anyone else's business.
That's true. They're between you and the other character only. And the assassin hiding in the room secretly watching. And whatever magick based guild lets you go invisible - if this game has things like invisibility spells. And whatever guild lets you secretly observe from far away - if this gave has things like observing from far away. And whatever secondary guilds let you observe from far away - if this game has any secondary guilds that let you observe from far away. And the staff watching as well. I feel like I'm missing at least one or two more options here.. :P
I'm not really trying to discuss anyone's preferences on the female form or gender stereotyping (what?), I was more referring to science's take on the matter, which is pretty clear: people notice boobs. Google will probably help you there if you're really that curious, but there's been plenty of studies.
If they can be seen, males will almost always look at and notice breasts before any other feature of the female figure unless they're specifically attempting not to. This doesn't make you lustful or weird, and in fact you're probably weird if you actually don't (but you probably do, subconsciously if not consciously). Females don't "look at" them first - I think they looked at faces first - but they do still immediately notice them because they mean sex/age/fertility, which will also have a big impact on your interactions with this other member of your species.
That said, I'm really tired of talking about boobs at this point. My opinion - which does not have to be yours and you don't have to agree with it - is that something that prominent on your person should probably at least be offhandedly mentioned in a paragraph centered on your appearance. I don't want a paragraph dedicated to it, and even a full sentence is probably more than necessary.
Again though, tired of talking about boobs. Sheesh. I forget how sensitive people are on this subject!
Boobs are sensitive, yo
Mudsex is kinda pathetic imo
shots fired
Quote from: In Dreams on July 21, 2015, 03:17:20 PM
I'm not really trying to discuss anyone's preferences on the female form or gender stereotyping (what?), I was more referring to science's take on the matter, which is pretty clear: people notice boobs. Google will probably help you there if you're really that curious, but there's been plenty of studies.
I suspect you're committing a fallacy whereby the mode result of a study is overgeneralized. Without seeing the studies myself it'd be hard to say, but this fallacy is rampant in laymen interpretations of scientific studies. This usually occurs when a scientist does a study and gives a long list of results, but sticks the most interesting result in the abstract. A journalist picks this up and spends most of an article discussing this "most interesting" result without really looking at all of the other results of the study, maybe making at most a passing mention of it.
I'd be willing to bet that there's a wide array of things that are first noticed or most noticed about a female, and the studies likely indicate that the breasts are the most common in the array. Just basing this on similar types of studies I've seen though, I've not seen the ones you're talking about.
Quote from: In Dreams on July 21, 2015, 02:51:47 PM
Quote from: Alesan on July 21, 2015, 02:40:37 PMHow many male characters have had their packages described in any way?
Apples and oranges! If a male's penis was right smack in the middle of their chest and sticking out at you everywhere it went, it should probably be mentioned in their desc.
Fortunately it's not!
Let me direct you to:
Quote from: In Dreams on July 21, 2015, 02:38:14 PM
... because it's a marker of sex, age, and fertility, which is also is going to determine in many ways how you interact with this other person. One of those instinct things.
Females don't do anything similar regarding males, right? Never? The eyes never drift below the waistline? It's not going to be that noticeable unless it's large. And hey, boobs aren't really noticeable unless they're larger than average either! Funny how that works.
At this point, though, I'm just arguing to be ornery. I don't care if you do or don't describe whatever you want.
Exactly. I don't care what you do or don't describe when you write your pcs. I do mind when you tell me how to write mine.
^ What Barz said. Personally, the overall impression of a character is more important to me than the details.
"Overall impression" is the term I was trying to put my finger on. People describe their characters in different ways, with different focuses and implicit biases about the observer. Some describe their character as if you were looking them over in the moment -- boobs and butts are probably salient features in these cases. Other descriptions feel to me like how you might remember someone in your mind's eye, which might be made up of broader strokes.
Obviously we're never going to reach consensus in this thread, but it's interesting to read other people's takes on the topic. I think there's room for all sorts on Arm. Some of the best reading I've enjoyed (some of Ondaatje's work comes to mind) includes surprisingly purple details. I'm also a big fan of the casual precision in Brett Easton Ellis's work, and the sex and torture acts he describes make me flinch to turn the page. Margaret Atwood has a way of describing the horrific with broader strokes that are probably analogous to a fade on Arm, but she's written some of my favorite fiction.
It's definitely a difference in writing styles and reading preferences. We shouldn't try to shoehorn everyone into the same style. Variety, spice, etc.
... but I still think mudsex is lame. :D
Quote from: Delirium on July 21, 2015, 05:01:31 PM
It's definitely a difference in writing styles and reading preferences. We shouldn't try to shoehorn everyone into the same style. Variety, spice, etc.
... but I still think mudsex is lame. :D
I do not think mudsexing is lame. I do not think not-mudsexing is lame. It's like people arguing over whether soccer is enjoyable or not. I have no idea how else to look at it, but it's certainly not as one of those things you can impact. It's a like/dislike.
I do, however, think that letting a fade/non-fade impact how your character treats the other -is- lame. If you were interested in them before the fade, then just arbitrarily decide you're no longer interested because they fade...you, indeed, are too far in your want for the mudsex.
Quote from: CodeMaster on July 21, 2015, 04:59:16 PM
Obviously we're never going to reach consensus in this thread, but it's interesting to read other people's takes on the topic. I think there's room for all sorts on Arm. Some of the best reading I've enjoyed (some of Ondaatje's work comes to mind) includes surprisingly purple details. I'm also a big fan of the casual precision in Brett Easton Ellis's work, and the sex and torture acts he describes make me flinch to turn the page. Margaret Atwood has a way of describing the horrific with broader strokes that are probably analogous to a fade on Arm, but she's written some of my favorite fiction.
While I agree with your message, Armageddon is a game that requires a degree of efficiency to be entertaining. I don't think I'm alone in believing that.
Quote from: Armaddict on July 21, 2015, 05:08:49 PM
Quote from: Delirium on July 21, 2015, 05:01:31 PM
It's definitely a difference in writing styles and reading preferences. We shouldn't try to shoehorn everyone into the same style. Variety, spice, etc.
... but I still think mudsex is lame. :D
I do not think mudsexing is lame. I do not think not-mudsexing is lame. It's like people arguing over whether soccer is enjoyable or not. I have no idea how else to look at it, but it's certainly not as one of those things you can impact. It's a like/dislike.
I do, however, think that letting a fade/non-fade impact how your character treats the other -is- lame. If you were interested in them before the fade, then just arbitrarily decide you're no longer interested because they fade...you, indeed, are too far in your want for the mudsex.
Well, to be fair... Soccer is lame.
Quote from: Armaddict on July 21, 2015, 05:08:49 PMIt's like people arguing over whether soccer is enjoyable or not. I have no idea how else to look at it, but it's certainly not as one of those things you can impact. It's a like/dislike.
Well, yeah. The point of my post is we all have our opinions and styles, and I have mine and you have yours. My dislike for spending (what I consider to be a waste of) time roleplaying out something that others enjoy doesn't mean I'm judging them (okay, maybe I'm judging a little, because I'm vain like that), it just means I don't like the same things other people like. And probably won't enjoy roleplaying around them as much as I would enjoy roleplaying around people who don't make romance a focal point of their gameplay. That's just how it is.
They probably won't enjoy roleplaying around me as much either! I'm not going to be offended. My playstyle is my playstyle, theirs is theirs.
QuoteI do, however, think that letting a fade/non-fade impact how your character treats the other -is- lame. If you were interested in them before the fade, then just arbitrarily decide you're no longer interested because they fade...you, indeed, are too far in your want for the mudsex.
I agree whole-heartedly with this. If you really want to pursue romance you can get 99% of what you need to know from the lead-up and post-encounter roleplay.
'murica Zalanthas... land of the free to do whatever you choose... till you get with one of MY PC's and you're "I don't usually play out sex scenes but I think we should this one".
Don't hate my PC cause she's stealing your man.
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Quote from: Is Friday on July 21, 2015, 02:52:46 PM
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Much less the sdesc. :D We've all met characters whose players have regretted that decision.
Quote from: Is Friday on July 21, 2015, 02:52:46 PM
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Do you find that describing breasts within the contents of the main description results in a bias toward in-game intercourse on the part of the character, or those it encounters?
I like my mdescs suggestive and evocative without getting weighed down in the details, because the reader's mind will fill in the details and make my character more attractive in their mind than I could ever write them.
Quote from: Alesan on July 21, 2015, 07:58:49 PM
Quote from: Is Friday on July 21, 2015, 02:52:46 PM
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Do you find that describing breasts within the contents of the main description results in a bias toward in-game intercourse on the part of the character, or those it encounters?
Probably an IC thing - considering that if someone is noticeably big-busted, -or- particularly flat-chested, these things would be noticeable. Especially by someone who is playing a character who has preferences for one or the other. If they're really big-busted, their clothing will fit in a way to reflected it. If they're totally flat-chested, then only a padded shirt will make it look otherwise. If they're nothing special - not overly large, or overly small, then that should be the "default" and not worth commenting about in an mdesc.
However - if you don't include it, then you should assume that your character will be seen as the default. If you want your character to be really large-chested, then you should at least give it a mention in your mdesc. You can get into nipple circumference and scars when the clothes come off, but the general "first impression" type size should get a nod.
It'd be pretty awkward for someone to create a PC who has a "thing" for flat-chested women - who makes a play for "the slender, willowy woman" whose mdesc doesn't mention her bust at all but only refers to a "girlish figure" - only to discover that the player of the PC is RPing her character as having a big beautiful bouncy rack - and just didn't think to bother mentioning it in her mdesc. I mean that's something someone who's into busts would notice, ICly, before the clothes came off.
I'm judging anyone in this thread who doesn't enjoy mudsex.
Quote from: valeria on July 21, 2015, 08:14:38 PM
I'm judging anyone in this thread who doesn't enjoy mudsex.
Fibber!
Quote from: In Dreams on July 21, 2015, 03:17:20 PM
I'm not really trying to discuss anyone's preferences on the female form or gender stereotyping (what?), I was more referring to science's take on the matter, which is pretty clear: people notice boobs. Google will probably help you there if you're really that curious, but there's been plenty of studies.
Your problem is you're trying to apply logic and reason. These kids are millenials, bro. Logic and reason interests them less than yelling at the top of their lungs or attempting to drag unwilling people into gender politics.
Please don't try to confused them with reasoning, or science.
They're completely convinced that whatever version of gender roles that Dan Savage is advocating this week are completely correct, and if you happen to disagree with that it's because you're a Republican homophobe. Get with the times, you misogynist!
Quote from: valeria on July 21, 2015, 02:58:31 PM
I happen to look at legs first. Men, women, doesn't matter. I have a thing for legs. Not everyone describes their legs in their mdesc.
I'm a sad panda.
Thing is, just because you look at boobs first doesn't mean that everyone (man, woman, or somewhere else on the gender spectrum) does.
Yay! I may be a dour old man but I've not let my legs go. Even at my advanced and geriatric age, I still have Erol Flynn legs. Enjoy, Valeria.
(http://images.fineartamerica.com/images-medium-large/errol-flynn-relaxing-on-his-yacht-ca-everett.jpg)
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Wp0iNzX4bNs/UVXtI3cqDpI/AAAAAAAAa7E/Z1bCcnmTdYY/s1600/BU02.jpg)
You've inspired me. My next character is going to be a man with fantastic legs and he is going to MUDsex. Lots. Mothers lock up your daughters!
confused head tilt, suspicious squint
The two biggest take things I took away from this thread...
1. ShaLeah is Puerto Rican. As a fellow Puerto Rican I can attest that our natural seduction contributes to inordinate amounts of mudsex.
2. I live with someone who played a drovian and stopped playing ARM because everyone they were assigned to watch was just mudsexing all the time. After an elf managed to project fluids half way across a room, I think she broke inside. Thus I am confident MUDsex is alive and well and not ruining the game for many people and possibly motivating some people to play. Different strokes for different folks...
PS - I really made this post to note ShaLeah is Puerto Rican because we're a rare breed.
EDIT - Fixing contradicting statements!
Quote from: Jeshin OR on July 22, 2015, 02:14:13 AM
I live with someone who stopped playing ARM because everyone they were assigned to watch was just mudsexing all the time. I think she broke inside. Thus I am confident MUDsex is alive and well and not ruining the game for anyone ....
Wat.
Well except the person I live with... Listen I am tired and I was out drinking. :-X
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I like how this discussion isn't really about how it makes you a good player, or whether it's good roleplay, or whether it should be allowed, or anything like that. The main focus seems to be on whether it makes you a loser. On whether pretending to have detailed sex in a game where you're otherwise pretending to play a fantasy person makes you a loser.
Quote from: ibusoe on July 22, 2015, 01:14:45 AM
Quote from: In Dreams on July 21, 2015, 03:17:20 PM
I'm not really trying to discuss anyone's preferences on the female form or gender stereotyping (what?), I was more referring to science's take on the matter, which is pretty clear: people notice boobs. Google will probably help you there if you're really that curious, but there's been plenty of studies.
Your problem is you're trying to apply logic and reason. These kids are millenials, bro. Logic and reason interests them less than yelling at the top of their lungs or attempting to drag unwilling people into gender politics.
Please don't try to confused them with reasoning, or science.
They're completely convinced that whatever version of gender roles that Dan Savage is advocating this week are completely correct, and if you happen to disagree with that it's because you're a Republican homophobe. Get with the times, you misogynist!
Quote from: Mordiggian on July 22, 2015, 05:33:28 AM
Did we need a second thread on this?
Yes. The other one is flooded with people who insult you for not putting enough breasts in your mdesc.
I should mention breasts in an mdesc sometime because they're pretty cool.
No more than one line please.
Please.
Quote from: Jingo on July 22, 2015, 08:52:42 PM
No more than one line please.
Please.
What if you're playing a mutant with three, and they're all different and distinct shapes? I don't think I could fit all that into one line.
This is the desc editor line width (I believe)
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Possessing of a three set of breasts: plump, perk, and withered were each in turn
EDIT - It's changing length from editor to post. That is perhaps 1 character over the limit to kick it onto a new line or exactly the limit. I can't tell which.
Quote from: Jeshin OR on July 22, 2015, 09:13:10 PM
This is the desc editor line width (I believe)
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Possessing of a three set of breasts: plump, perk, and withered were each in turn
EDIT - It's changing length from editor to post. That is perhaps 1 character over the limit to kick it onto a new line or exactly the limit. I can't tell which.
*golfclap*
Quote from: MeTekillot on July 22, 2015, 05:15:37 AM
I like how this discussion isn't really about how it makes you a good player, or whether it's good roleplay, or whether it should be allowed, or anything like that. The main focus seems to be on whether it makes you a loser. On whether pretending to have detailed sex in a game where you're otherwise pretending to play a fantasy person makes you a loser.
My thoughts exactly. Which is funny. Which is why I made the tongue in cheek joke about judging people for mudsexing is like judging people for playing a text based fantasy game about killing and corrupting people. Because by assuming everyone has to get off to mudsex, you also assume everyone who kills and corrupts is somehow a person on the border of a murderous psychotic break of some sort? Silly, the lot of this. ;)
I'm not going to bother reading this whole thread, also, I'm not going to pretend I don't enjoy mudsex, and I'm not going to try to play it cool and say I don't run off to fap later. What I will say, is it feels great when there's a person you can so comfortably RP with that you can either fade a scene, or really condense it down, so you can go straight from the foreplay to the cuddling, but for both players to feel comfortable DOING that and knowing exactly where each character is positioned, well, you have to go through the motions, more than once. I mean, I don't think it should be a life-goal to describe sex as realistically as possible, but if you don't go through with it at some point or other, ok, we faded a scene, where the hell are we now? I have trouble enjoying that kind of RP, it's like fumbling about in the dark for your keys. If you don't go through the motions, you have to figure out, through OOC channels, oh, ok, this character doesn't particularly like this particular position, how are two players supposed to coordinate the buildup and end result of these interactions without actually playing them out and feeling out the other character?
If you fade the scene constantly, how do you figure out that tressy-tressed f-me aide magicker not only has a cock, but is also a dominant sadist? In the end you're like, ooc ftb? Then you emote puffing on a spice tube like "Was it gud 4 u bb?" like some kind of chump when there's a lot more depth to the character, their mentality, and physical makeup. Sorry, if you don't play out a scene with a character, it's impossible to know.
I'm gonna admit here that I mostly only read sdescs and the main reason I use look is to see if there are any clan uniform markers. Yep. I'm that player. If my PC is attracted to your PC it's probably because that PC has an awesome personality, because I probably.. don't actually know what you look like. Sorry. :(
That really kind of just makes me wonder, if you're the person reading descriptions looking for boob descs because science (which, the science of looking at boobs irl and the science of reading through a desc looking for boobs are probably not the same, hence), do you specifically read the whole desc, read until you see boobs, or scan specifically for boobs? Cause if you're doing the last one, some people will probably think you're creepy. Just saying.
I'm pro people doing what they like consensually. If that leads to OOC pair-bonding, good for you guys, but watch out for people not being their characters and please get a second and third opinion on said OOC pair-bonding. I've heard some genuine horror stories come out of this kind of thing :(
For me personally, I find it hard/awkward to OOCly shut down mudsex if I get into the situation, so I will generally go through with it. I also tend to find mudsex itself hard/awkward to write. I like RPing through everything because the development is in the details and I really dislike using OOC when I don't need to. So generally to avoid any said awkwardness, what I tend to do is write romance-averse PCs. Then any romantically-inclined PCs need to jump through 10 hoops, at which point they are usually worth doing this for from both an IC and an OOC point of view. (Yeah... I have... commitment issues!)
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haha, context
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The Duck would be one of those who typo during mudsex. Gawd.
Favorite romance in game so far is still the one that didn't have any sex at all; can only recall a couple of instances of OOC and one of them was "afk I think something in my town just blew up" (it was a propane tank). Sorry Shal.
I tend to be more uncomfortable dancing around consent than doing anything that requires consent, so I always ask what other people would like to do whenever a situation seems to be heading across the PG-13/X-Rated line. My worry then is whether I'm inadvertently conveying an expectation of full consent to the other person. People shouldn't feel that they have to consent to anything they don't feel comfortable to. If you ask for details to be toned down or just faded and the other player objects to that, that other player has problems.
Quote from: BadSkeelz on July 23, 2015, 01:53:33 PM
The Duck would be one of those who typo during mudsex. Gawd.
Favorite romance in game so far is still the one that didn't have any sex at all; can only recall a couple of instances of OOC and one of them was "afk I think something in my town just blew up" (it was a propane tank). Sorry Shal.
Don't be. My favorite romance was my Nenyuk with a Templar and we faded every time, she got knocked up and had a baby named Oasis Nenyuk who is definitely dead by now. Heh. Romance ain't got shit to do with sex!
Quote from: aeglaeca on July 23, 2015, 03:57:32 AM
(Yeah... I have... commitment issues!)
The last person I was seeing semi-seriously for a few months showed up to my house one day with a couple shirts she'd bought for me. I told her I was gonna be pretty busy (I was, to be fair), and I haven't seen her in months. If anyone can relate to this, it's me.
I don't seem to have that problem IG, though. I guess it may be that , when considering the handful of deep relationships I've had in RL where I had learned so much about myself, applying that to a game where there is no risk of emotional loss seems prudent. In fact, all of my long-lived heroes have all had at least one romance that I used as a tool to shape the character.
Of course, this has nothing to do with mudsex. There are cooler things you can do on the game, and fading is a gift.
I totally don't have mudsex, but when I do, I don't let an internet forum know.
I don't know, all my characters are meant to be living, breathing beings with needs and desires, right? There's rules in the documents to promote that, right (or did I misread?)? I'm supposed to be delving into a character, and not living some action-movie dream with a two-dimensional cardboard cut-out whose whole background relates to his sword focus, correct? What am I supposed to be doing here, I suppose, is the real question, and why is it important?
Of all the replies in this thread I have read, Metekillot's is my favorite (sorry buddy) because he seems to actually bring up some of the preconceived notions that are frequently encountered IG.
Quote from: Kismetic on July 23, 2015, 05:01:51 PM
Quote from: aeglaeca on July 23, 2015, 03:57:32 AM
(Yeah... I have... commitment issues!)
The last person I was seeing semi-seriously for a few months showed up to my house one day with a couple shirts she'd bought for me. I told her I was gonna be pretty busy (I was, to be fair), and I haven't seen her in months. If anyone can relate to this, it's me.
I don't seem to have that problem IG, though. I guess it may be that , when considering the handful of deep relationships I've had in RL where I had learned so much about myself, applying that to a game where there is no risk of emotional loss seems prudent. In fact, all of my long-lived heroes have all had at least one romance that I used as a tool to shape the character.
Of course, this has nothing to do with mudsex. There are cooler things you can do on the game, and fading is a gift.
I think for me the limits help with that. There are some distances that other people will not be able to breach. Like the finite amount of time online. The fact that they're not have a relationship with me, but a fictional character. Also the fact that either my or their character is due to die any minute really helps. Everyone knows this isn't going to be a fifty year deal.
Quote from: ShaLeah on July 23, 2015, 01:23:45 PM
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I like to think I'm prettier than the average date. :D
More nasty too.
Quote from: Synthesis on July 21, 2015, 12:38:49 AM
i just browse xhamster while my inix is resting
Synthesis ... I missed you.
Quote from: musashi on July 23, 2015, 09:57:39 PM
Quote from: Synthesis on July 21, 2015, 12:38:49 AM
i just browse xhamster while my inix is resting
Synthesis ... I missed you.
mushashi I missed -you-.
Best
Fade
Evah
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Quote from: Beethoven on July 20, 2015, 08:41:40 PM
Quote from: wizturbo on July 20, 2015, 08:29:58 PM
I'm a big fan of R-Rated mudsex scenes versus XXX rated. Plenty of pre-sex build up, and post-sex pillow talk, but only have a handful of emotes to cover the graphic stuff. Saves a bunch of time, and maximizes the RP potential.
That's how I like to do it as well.
Long past me are the days of the description of the throbbing cock or the dripping sex. Now it's more about hip movement.
Quote from: MeTekillot on August 03, 2015, 11:05:48 AM
Quote from: Beethoven on July 20, 2015, 08:41:40 PM
Quote from: wizturbo on July 20, 2015, 08:29:58 PM
I'm a big fan of R-Rated mudsex scenes versus XXX rated. Plenty of pre-sex build up, and post-sex pillow talk, but only have a handful of emotes to cover the graphic stuff. Saves a bunch of time, and maximizes the RP potential.
That's how I like to do it as well.
Long past me are the days of the description of the throbbing cock or the dripping sex. Now it's more about hip movement.
It's easily about the small ripples in my left thigh.
I hate that this thread was split with my post being the first, making it seem like I started the thread. :(
I consider it fair play for having my "World's worst Tuluki pickup line" in your sig for months.
It's occurred to me that if you keep your sexual RP to R-level or fade, your character can A) have sex a lot quicker, leaving time for the other relationship bits and B) have sex in a lot more crazier places and situations.
Quote from: BadSkeelz on August 05, 2015, 01:52:55 PM
I consider it fair play for having my "World's worst Tuluki pickup line" in your sig for months.
It's occurred to me that if you keep your sexual RP to R-level or fade, your character can A) have sex a lot quicker, leaving time for the other relationship bits and B) have sex in a lot more crazier places and situations.
Date fast typers.
Quote from: BadSkeelz on August 05, 2015, 01:52:55 PM
It's occurred to me that if you keep your sexual RP to R-level or fade, your character can A) have sex a lot quicker, leaving time for the other relationship bits and B) have sex in a lot more crazier places and situations.
Man you're such a noob. You just discovered fading saves you time from needless, less interesting RP?
:D
Nah, I've know that for awhile. It just occurred to me that I could more easily sneak in a quickie between waves of tarantulas by fading.
All the pros just mudsex in full armor with weapons drawn so you don't have to stop when the tarantulas respawn.
Quote from: musashi on August 05, 2015, 03:31:44 PM
All the pros just mudsex in full armor with weapons drawn so you don't have to stop when the tarantulas respawn.
What is this Heavy Metal?
Quote from: Is Friday on August 05, 2015, 03:32:47 PM
Quote from: musashi on August 05, 2015, 03:31:44 PM
All the pros just mudsex in full armor with weapons drawn so you don't have to stop when the tarantulas respawn.
What is this Heavy Metal?
Twice I've ooc'd from my stealthiness to ask the players involved to remove their armor as their emotes would suggest. That awkward pause..... *cackle*
Quote from: Majikal on August 05, 2015, 03:36:00 PM
Quote from: Is Friday on August 05, 2015, 03:32:47 PM
Quote from: musashi on August 05, 2015, 03:31:44 PM
All the pros just mudsex in full armor with weapons drawn so you don't have to stop when the tarantulas respawn.
What is this Heavy Metal?
Twice I've ooc'd from my stealthiness to ask the players involved to remove their armor as their emotes would suggest. That awkward pause..... *cackle*
I would OOC you "no, I have things to do besides emote about removing clothing/armor".
Quote from: musashi on August 05, 2015, 03:31:44 PM
All the pros just mudsex in full armor with weapons drawn so you don't have to stop when the tarantulas respawn.
Oh man, this cracked me up so much. I swear, I've done this, except replace tarantulas with hordes of kryl.
Quote from: Is Friday on August 05, 2015, 02:34:59 PM
Quote from: BadSkeelz on August 05, 2015, 01:52:55 PM
It's occurred to me that if you keep your sexual RP to R-level or fade, your character can A) have sex a lot quicker, leaving time for the other relationship bits and B) have sex in a lot more crazier places and situations.
Man you're such a noob. You just discovered fading saves you time from needless, less interesting RP?
:D
Are we STILL talking about this?
Haysoos.
As the ONLY pro here I say stop it already. If playing out sexual scenes was needless and less interesting.... IsFriday... your ass wouldn't be asking to read logs!
I have no idea what "song to read logs" means, but I think anything would be more interesting than "inserts my veiny penis into your quivering vajay". Just sayin', lol.
Shaleah not every mudsex thread is about you. Gosh.
Quote from: Is Friday on August 05, 2015, 09:24:59 PM
Shaleah not every mudsex thread is about you.
I'm not so sure.
Seeker
Quote from: Seeker on August 05, 2015, 09:32:29 PM
Quote from: Is Friday on August 05, 2015, 09:24:59 PM
Shaleah not every mudsex thread is about you.
I'm not so sure.
Seeker
Me either. Seeker knows. My character was his first character's muse. And by muse I mean she's responsible for ginka sauce.
Couldn't have been possible without the seduction skeelz my characters have.
You're welcome Armageddon.
ShaLeah stalks my characters who don't want to mudsex ... and sexes them.
Quote from: musashi on August 06, 2015, 09:47:01 AM
ShaLeah stalks my characters who don't want to mudsex ... and sexes them... and I -like- it.
FTFY :-*
I have ooc'd that if the other player wants me to take off my armor, they're welcome to let me know. Some people just don't have time for full on de-clothing and re-clothing when it's past their bed time and they just want to fade and log off.
But if someone asked me to take off my armor, I wouldn't take it the wrong way IF AND ONLY IF they then either stole something or tried to kill me.
New mudsex code! (lovingly named the shalcode)
rem all
zero spam
Player sees - You sexily remove all your shit and drop it in a pile.
Watchers see - Before you blink, sdesc is naked. Must be excited!
Make it happen.
Quote from: valeria on August 06, 2015, 11:01:58 AM
I have ooc'd that if the other player wants me to take off my armor, they're welcome to let me know. Some people just don't have time for full on de-clothing and re-clothing when it's past their bed time and they just want to fade and log off.
But if someone asked me to take off my armor, I wouldn't take it the wrong way IF AND ONLY IF they then either stole something or tried to kill me.
I like how being screwed over puts you off less than being screwed, sorta
Quote from: ShaLeah on August 06, 2015, 11:25:30 AM
New mudsex code! (lovingly named the shalcode)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31g0YE61PLQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31g0YE61PLQ)
Every time I fade, whether or not I am intending any sort of backstabbery/trickery/betrayal on a person from now on, I will make sure to ask that they remove their armor, before fading and then quitting out. Just in the hopes of getting a player complaint that says, 'They ask me to remove my armor, and then never take advantage of it.' I don't know who did that to you, but that's amazing. :P
I'll just start implying that my character bangs fully clothed, all Mad Men style. ;)
With how unsafe and dangerous life in general tends to be, I'd think unless you felt truly safe in your place of residence, you'd rarely strip down to your bare ass. Just take off what you need to take off for access and go at it, right? But if you're emoting stripping down to your bare ass, you should probably be stripping down to your bare ass.
Quote from: Alesan on August 06, 2015, 03:46:55 PM
With how unsafe and dangerous life in general tends to be, I'd think unless you felt truly safe in your place of residence, you'd rarely strip down to your bare ass. Just take off what you need to take off for access and go at it, right? But if you're emoting stripping down to your bare ass, you should probably be stripping down to your bare ass.
Enemy at the Gates style!
Quote from: Armaddict on August 06, 2015, 03:49:34 PM
Quote from: Alesan on August 06, 2015, 03:46:55 PM
With how unsafe and dangerous life in general tends to be, I'd think unless you felt truly safe in your place of residence, you'd rarely strip down to your bare ass. Just take off what you need to take off for access and go at it, right? But if you're emoting stripping down to your bare ass, you should probably be stripping down to your bare ass.
Enemy at the Gates style!
Don't get the reference! What's it mean?
It means pull down your pants just enough to bump uglies in a bombshelter subway while trying not to wake up the other 2000 people snoring around you.
I dunno what you're taking about but I play dis game to chop muther fuckers up with bone swordz.
Yeah ... a big ole' bone sword if you know what I'm saying!!!
Dwarves are the answer to mudsex addiction, play one and you're cured!
Heh, I once played a gemmed dwarf viv with skeleton tattoos.
People still tried to hit that. *eyeroll.*
Quote from: FantasyWriter on September 08, 2015, 08:17:47 PM
Heh, I once played a gemmed dwarf viv with skeleton tattoos.
People still tried to hit that. *eyeroll.*
Should've left off the tattoos. Bitches love tattoos.
Quote from: Alesan on September 08, 2015, 10:10:02 PM
Quote from: FantasyWriter on September 08, 2015, 08:17:47 PM
Heh, I once played a gemmed dwarf viv with skeleton tattoos.
People still tried to hit that. *eyeroll.*
Should've left off the tattoos. Bitches love tattoos.
Heh, who can blame them? Tattoos are -almost- as hot as red hair.
*sneaks off to write up the svelte, exotically-tattooed man, because what is hotter than mudsex with a red-headed, tattooed krathi when all the furniture begins to go up in flames right before a heady, mutual climax*
Quote from: FantasyWriter on September 11, 2015, 12:00:25 AM
... what is hotter than mudsex with a red-headed, tattooed krathi when all the furniture begins to go up in flames right before a heady, mutual climax*
Having your vNPC kids in the room watching.
Quote from: musashi on September 11, 2015, 12:08:10 AM
Quote from: FantasyWriter on September 11, 2015, 12:00:25 AM
... what is hotter than mudsex with a red-headed, tattooed krathi when all the furniture begins to go up in flames right before a heady, mutual climax*
Having your vNPC kids in the room catching fire toowatching.
Quote from: musashi on September 11, 2015, 12:08:10 AM
Quote from: FantasyWriter on September 11, 2015, 12:00:25 AM
... what is hotter than mudsex with a red-headed, tattooed krathi when all the furniture begins to go up in flames right before a heady, mutual climax*
Having your vNPC kids in the room watching.
So we can't play catpeople, but we can apparently play bonobo krathi?
Quote from: Narf on September 11, 2015, 01:45:02 AM
Quote from: musashi on September 11, 2015, 12:08:10 AM
Quote from: FantasyWriter on September 11, 2015, 12:00:25 AM
... what is hotter than mudsex with a red-headed, tattooed krathi when all the furniture begins to go up in flames right before a heady, mutual climax*
Having your vNPC kids in the room watching.
So we can't play catpeople, but we can apparently play bonobo krathi?
So.. Every Krathi?
Quote from: Patuk on September 11, 2015, 03:57:30 AM
Quote from: Narf on September 11, 2015, 01:45:02 AM
Quote from: musashi on September 11, 2015, 12:08:10 AM
Quote from: FantasyWriter on September 11, 2015, 12:00:25 AM
... what is hotter than mudsex with a red-headed, tattooed krathi when all the furniture begins to go up in flames right before a heady, mutual climax*
Having your vNPC kids in the room watching.
So we can't play catpeople, but we can apparently play bonobo krathi?
So.. Every Krathi?
Hey! My Krathi had no interest in sex at all.
ShaLeah still managed to get him in the sack. She's good.
Gross.
When you're older you might not think it's so gross anymore. :)
Quote from: musashi on September 11, 2015, 11:43:38 PM
When you're older you might not think it's so gross anymore. :)
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Having sex in front of imaginary children is really creepy
Quote from: MeTekillot on September 12, 2015, 12:13:13 AM
Having sex in front of imaginary children is really creepy
Is it more or less creepy than having se- ... ... No. No I think I'll keep that terrible thought to myself.
This is why I always fade to black.
Whatever you were going to say, yes, probably.
Quote from: MeTekillot on September 12, 2015, 12:13:13 AM
Having sex in front of imaginary children is really creepy
For the record though ... this practice is anything but creepy outside of Puritan Western moral values. It's ... uncomfortably common in other cultures.
Having sex in front of your children I mean ... Not your imaginary children. That's still kinda creepy ... But mostly because you're insane.
How much sex do poor people have in the Gaj's bunkroom, and how many children visit said tavern?
Quote from: musashi on September 12, 2015, 02:11:46 AM
Quote from: MeTekillot on September 12, 2015, 12:13:13 AM
Having sex in front of imaginary children is really creepy
For the record though ... this practice is anything but creepy outside of Puritan Western moral values. It's ... uncomfortably common in other cultures.
Exactly. I don't know where else you have it, if you live in one room. Western me assumes it's in the dark.
I'm sorry, but what does hate cycle mean? Urbandictionary didn't have the answer.
Quote from: Patuk on September 12, 2015, 04:10:44 AM
How much sex do poor people have in the Gaj's bunkroom, and how many children visit said tavern?
They don't really visit so much as "get born in the dorms and never leave." At least till adulthood.
Quote from: ibusoe on September 12, 2015, 11:59:31 PM
I'm sorry, but what does hate cycle mean? Urbandictionary didn't have the answer.
Do you not know?
Quote from: FiveDisgruntledMonkeysWit on October 06, 2010, 07:13:06 PM
Quote from: Cutthroat on October 06, 2010, 12:02:21 PM
It was about time for some Tuluk hate.
What's next on the Hate Cycle?
Good question! Let's check the chart:
The Official GDB Hate Cycle
Magickers (God the fucking twinks that run the game and are better than everybody at everything and spam cast until they get infinity awesome points and kill my characters!)
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Half-Elves (Stupid angsty emo wrist-cutters that nobody plays right but me!)
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Half-Giants (Tarzan-speaking boring sacks of stupid boring that nobody plays right but me!)
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Dwarves (Nerf! Neft the Scottish-speaking newbs! I want them to be seven karma because only I can play them right!)
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Tuluk (Stupid bunny-huggers!)
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Tan Muark (Imm pets that have a waterslide or something! Where's -my- waterslide, huh? Rawr!)
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The Staff (Immz want to eat my brainz oh noes)
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Arm 2.0 (WTF LOLCATS!?!?!?!?!?!)
As you can see, we're currently transititioning from dwarf-hate into Tuluk-hate. Each Hate Strata is separated by 50 Rage Points. When the Whinometer ticks past Arm 2.0, it (naturally) defaults to magickers. While we normally experience a steady slide from magickers down to Arm 2.0, it is possible for the Whinometer to stall at a particular subject, to re-visit recently visited subjects, or to skip ahead unexpectedly. Various things can effect the level of hate in the GDB at any time.
Somebody posts a perfectly innocent call for a family role in Player Announcements, it gets derailed: +25 Rage Points
Somebody posts an ad for a particular clan in Player Annoucenements: +50 Rage Points
A thread is locked: +75 Rage Points
Somebody flames: +100 Rage Points
A code change is made: +/- 100 Rage Points
A Staff Member posts: +/- 10 Rage Points
Nyr posts: +/- 15 Rage Points
A Staff Member starts a thread, requesting feedback: -10 Rage Points
Gimf posts a graph or table of data: +/- 5 Rage Points
brytta.leofa posts in the Odd Urges thread: -5 Rage Points
FiveDisgruntledMonkeysWit spends over half an hour writing a satirical GDB post: +/- 5 Rage Points
The cube's 4 quad Earth shifts: +/- a variable amount of Rage Points. See here for full details: http://www.timecube.com/
Wow, at least three of the items on that list no longer apply. Tuluk, the Tan Muark, and ARM 2.0 are all gone. I propose the following rework:
The Official GDB Hate Cycle
Magickers (God the fucking twinks that run the game and are better than everybody at everything and spam cast until they get infinity awesome points and kill my characters!)
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Half-Elves (Stupid angsty emo wrist-cutters that nobody plays right but me!)
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Half-Giants (Tarzan-speaking boring sacks of stupid boring that nobody plays right but me!)
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Dwarves (Nerf! Neft the Scottish-speaking newbs! I want them to be seven karma because only I can play them right!)
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Mudsex (I despise people who don't adhere to my specific set of moral guidelines! And I want catgirls!)
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Code (It's changing too much! It's changing too little! It's too old! It's too new!)
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The Staff (something bad happened to me in the request tool once)
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Lawbreaking (The crim code sucks/the crim code rocks/kill all pickpockets!)
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Women (A world without sexism confuses and angers me)
Catgirls belongs in mudsex, laura.
show what I know.
FIXED
Women might as well for that matter.
*rimshot* :D
And dwarfs.
... shit just got weird.
it's always weird to talk about mudsex
just read this thread for an example
none the less it belongs on the hate cycle
i'd offer a rare diamond-back pokemon card from a reputable vendor at a nearby flea market for a catgirl log.
especially the noble one everyone talks about. "come hither, ye catgirls. my scratching post awaits."
I have mudsexed (non ftb) 3 times ever in 6 years.
2x Shaleah and 1xFujikoma
... I kinda joke about mudsexing ShaLeah ... but I actually made her fade.
... cus I'm a pussy :'(
Plus elf sex is gross.
lol
fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap *bite lips* fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap nnnnnnnngh kawabunga duuuuuuudes!
What these threads have always sounded like:
Lets RP cleaning laterines in Detail? Okay
Lets RP sparring with each other in Detail? Alright.
Lets RP dismembering each other and killing both creature and man with weapons? Sounds like a fun way to spend of the day.
Lets RP horendously killing putting people to death in horrific ways? Sure, let me just get comfortable and get the lube out.
Lets graphically torture people in pure detail? Sure, everyone is consenting
Lets RP sex, you know penis into a bodily orifice? Oh No! Won't anyone think of the children!
The above view point being one of the most offensive against people here because everyone has RPed some level of sexuality at one point or another. Even before you get to the fade scene...you basically did stuff to get to the fade scene. Geez I mean wait til these people find out what you can access on google images.
This thread should have ended at page one with Valarie's post. People mudsex because its fun to RP your character's life. Clearly some aspects of a character's life are more enjoyable then other parts to some people. Who cares, its no one's business, take your holier then thou attitudes out of my RP. I rather not see my enjoyment of chopping things up with my bone axe get a thread next because even I honestly think that really is rated R.
Quote from: Dresan on September 15, 2015, 11:34:06 AM
What these threads have always sounded like:
Lets RP cleaning laterines in Detail? Okay
Lets RP sparring with each other in Detail? Alright.
Lets RP dismembering each other and killing both creature and man with weapons? Sounds like a fun way to spend of the day.
Lets RP horendously killing putting people to death in horrific ways? Sure, let me just get comfortable and get the lube out.
Lets graphically torture people in pure detail? Sure, everyone is consenting
Lets RP sex, you know penis into a bodily orifice? Oh No! Won't anyone think of the children!
The above view point being one of the most offensive against people here because everyone has RPed some level of sexuality at one point or another. Even before you get to the fade scene...you basically did stuff to get to the fade scene. Geez I mean wait til these people find out what you can access on google images.
This thread should have ended at page one with Valarie's post. People mudsex because its fun to RP your character's life. Clearly some aspects of a character's life are more enjoyable then other parts to some people. Who cares, its no one's business, take your holier then thou attitudes out of my RP. I rather not see my enjoyment of chopping things up with my bone axe get a thread next because even I honestly think that really is rated R.
qfmft
Most of us are American ... it's the puritan in us.
I think in the last 2-3 years I've played Armageddon, not a -single- person I've mudsexed with have asked for a fade, and Staff knows the amount of peeps I've been known to mudsex.
NOT ONE PERSON.
Even my dirty Bynner kid named "Jailbait" got plenty.
Quote from: Malken on September 15, 2015, 11:49:22 AM
I think in the last 2-3 years I've played Armageddon, not a -single- person I've mudsexed with have asked for a fade, and Staff knows the amount of peeps I've been known to mudsex.
NOT ONE PERSON.
Even my dirty Bynner kid named "Jailbait" got plenty.
I'm curious as to how they got the name Jailbait! Does the connotation that exists IRL exist in Zalanthas?
Quote from: Alesan on September 15, 2015, 11:53:12 AM
Quote from: Malken on September 15, 2015, 11:49:22 AM
I think in the last 2-3 years I've played Armageddon, not a -single- person I've mudsexed with have asked for a fade, and Staff knows the amount of peeps I've been known to mudsex.
NOT ONE PERSON.
Even my dirty Bynner kid named "Jailbait" got plenty.
I'm curious as to how they got the name Jailbait! Does the connotation that exists IRL exist in Zalanthas?
Possibly he was a shifty little filthy sneak-rat? I mean, while at the same time it might have connotations IRL, it may be appropriate to the setting when looked at from another angle, as in, very tempting to arrest.
Quote from: Fujikoma on September 15, 2015, 11:57:44 AM
Quote from: Alesan on September 15, 2015, 11:53:12 AM
Quote from: Malken on September 15, 2015, 11:49:22 AM
I think in the last 2-3 years I've played Armageddon, not a -single- person I've mudsexed with have asked for a fade, and Staff knows the amount of peeps I've been known to mudsex.
NOT ONE PERSON.
Even my dirty Bynner kid named "Jailbait" got plenty.
I'm curious as to how they got the name Jailbait! Does the connotation that exists IRL exist in Zalanthas?
Possibly he was a shifty little filthy sneak-rat? I mean, while at the same time it might have connotations IRL, it may be appropriate to the setting when looked at from another angle, as in, very tempting to arrest.
Yeah, that. It had nothing to do with sexuality (even though I couldn't stop giggling each time his name was tossed around), it had more to do with his charming personality and the fact that he could get plenty of people in trouble and could often get them to take the fall for him.
His name was Jailbait because Malken is into meta-humor.
Quote from: Fujikoma on September 15, 2015, 11:57:44 AM
Quote from: Alesan on September 15, 2015, 11:53:12 AM
Quote from: Malken on September 15, 2015, 11:49:22 AM
I think in the last 2-3 years I've played Armageddon, not a -single- person I've mudsexed with have asked for a fade, and Staff knows the amount of peeps I've been known to mudsex.
NOT ONE PERSON.
Even my dirty Bynner kid named "Jailbait" got plenty.
I'm curious as to how they got the name Jailbait! Does the connotation that exists IRL exist in Zalanthas?
Possibly he was a shifty little filthy sneak-rat? I mean, while at the same time it might have connotations IRL, it may be appropriate to the setting when looked at from another angle, as in, very tempting to arrest.
That's fair enough, but the post was made with the other implication in mind, wasn't it? I mean, why post that otherwise? Why would it matter how much tail the character got while being named Jailbait IC if that connotation didn't matter?
Anyway, I'm just poking fun. It's not a big deal to me.
Quote from: Is Friday on September 15, 2015, 12:00:46 PM
His name was Jailbait because Malken is into meta-humor.
To each person's taste! I'm not a fan of meta-humor, myself.
Quote from: Is Friday on September 15, 2015, 12:00:46 PM
His name was Jailbait because Malken is into meta-humor.
That too. I won't deny that in the last few years I've mostly played Armageddon for the lulz more than anything else, which isn't a bad way to play Arm if you're wanting light fun once in a while.
I'm leaving the goals of amassing 8 karma and becoming the next Pearl to the youngins' who still have 10 hours a day to dedicate to Arm.
You don't have much time to play but you still mudsex? ??? ??? ???
Quote from: Alesan on September 15, 2015, 12:05:18 PM
That's fair enough, but the post was made with the other implication in mind, wasn't it? I mean, why post that otherwise? Why would it matter how much tail the character got while being named Jailbait IC if that connotation didn't matter?
Anyway, I'm just poking fun. It's not a big deal to me.
I was mostly trying to show that mudsex is quite alive and kickin' on Armageddon, despite the usual, "Ew, mudsex is for losers!" posts that you get in these sort of threads.
I was saying that even my young kid by the ridiculous name of Jailbait with a five line-desc'ed and very visible full of pus tattoo of Dickbutt never lacked in the mudsex department, and I was never offered a fade, so you can imagine just how much mudsex is going around when two "normal" characters are wanting some.
Well I don't play anymore, isFriday, so I guess it's safe to say that I don't mudsex anymore either :-[ :-[ :-[
I usually get requests to fade at first (if at all), or if there's OOC time considerations. I don't mind fading, sometimes I have to fade the scene, usually because I simply don't have time for it with IC or OOC considerations. I think it highlights that the voices heard on the GDB are a minority, some of them simply saying they're squicked because they're worried about the perceptions of others... which, this is the internet, so lol.
Also, Puritans, it's ok to make your character how you want to to avoid the icky mudsex. Where the problem comes in is when puritanical values end up enforced ICly, and you allow your OOC perspectives to influence your IC perspectives of other characters, or worse, rely on your limited perspectives of a character to dictate your perception of how the player must be IRL.
Also, if you want to end a forum conversation in the appropriate fashion, someone needs to compare someone else to Nazis. I'll leave that duty to someone else.
Maybe to end a forum conversation about mudsex, someone need to mention catgirls.
Call it House Kawaii's Law.
*curls up in your lap, tucking her tail about herself, cleaning her whiskers with a paw as she rumbles a soft purr contentedly*
Quote from: musashi on September 15, 2015, 07:33:48 AM
... I kinda joke about mudsexing ShaLeah ... but I actually made her fade.
... cus I'm a pussy :'(
Kinda joking cause my characters really
-are- that good. :P
Poor kid didn't last two seconds after the boner hemote. That's okay though, my character had his babies and his asexual elf wasn't asexual with my elf. #mushashiconquerorftw
Quote from: Malken on September 15, 2015, 11:49:22 AM
Staff EVERYONE knows the amount of peeps I've been known to mudsex.
FTFY Mal
How curious that your characters and mine have never bumped uglies. Maybe it's cause your characters like cat girls.
I feel like with our reputation there's only one solution.
(http://cdn.meme.am/instances2/500x/1885791.jpg)
That's it. I'm going to special app a Borsail noble who dedicates his life to the breeding of catgirl pleasure slaves.
Quote from: ShaLeah on September 15, 2015, 01:48:51 PM
(http://cdn.meme.am/instances2/500x/1885791.jpg)
Time to enforce our purrrrrrrrritanical values all over the GDB ^_^
When I was a wee noob I spec app'd to play a nobles Quirri...
So much cat-sex potential, wasted.
I wish there were coded STD's ..so bad..I tried another mud that had a sex code..every time you had sex you would type in : sex unprotected(or protected) target. They would get promted to consent. To which they would type yes or no. It was apparently put in at first to better enforce the muds consent rules...but if you or your partner had an STD (which could be caught from sexing up whore npcs) you ran a risk of catching/spreading it. I thought that was awesome. They also had coded pregnancy which I also thought was bad ass. It annoys me when people rping their prego get nearly killed then just pretend their baby is completely fine. Like being gutting by a Carru runs zero risk of miscarriage.
I always assumed our hands off approach to people's vbabies was rooted in our desire not to trigger people with a similar RL experience.
Going on a 3 hour "follow the leader" RPT and not getting to throw a virtual baby into a fire (or at least try throw it in to the air and try to catch it on my sword) is one of my big Armageddon regrets.
I just remember floating the idea of stealing someone's vbaby past staff on a previous character, and getting shot down pretty hard, coupled with a story about how that staff member had stolen someone's vbaby before when he was a player and there was immense OOC drams and fallout as a result because the person he stole the baby from had lost a child IRL or ... something to that effect.
I've had friends murdered, but I don't pitch a fit when my PC friends die.
Quote from: MeTekillot on September 21, 2015, 04:37:06 AM
I've had friends murdered, but I don't pitch a fit when my PC friends die.
Don't think that's an apt comparison to losing a child. There's lots and lots of oxytocin involved in the pregnancy and feeding process (not to mention significant risk on the woman's part, and hopes for the future), which of course encourages a much stronger emotional bond than that guy you grew up smoking killer bud with.
Quote from: MeTekillot on September 21, 2015, 04:37:06 AM
I've had friends murdered, but I don't pitch a fit when my PC friends die.
I think it's clear that Armageddon as a game has policies in place that lean towards providing a safe space for people who have had what are traditionally considered women's issues, while leaving the door to violence and torture open.
But I don't think there's an official policy on how vbabies and pregnancies are dealt with, is there? I was just sharing the feedback I got from one staff member, several years ago.
Maybe play HousewifeMUD instead if you want to vicariously raise the virtual child you lost, instead of a game where being murdered for a glass of water is a common occurrence.
Stab the PC mother first, Imms are saying, they don't want to have to animate the vnpc themselves.
Pretty much what Met said though. And Bast.
Quote from: MeTekillot on September 21, 2015, 04:58:46 AM
Maybe play HousewifeMUD instead if you want to vicariously raise the virtual child you lost, instead of a game where being murdered for a glass of water is a common occurrence.
Sounds like you're drawing an awful lot of conclusions about people you've never met and their motives for playing a game. I mean, for all you know, it could be coincidence that a plotline turned out that way, and their history included a certain traumatic event. Still, it is what it is, if you don't understand, maybe when you're older.
EDIT: Also, I think stealing a vNPC baby may be considered power emoting. ATTEMPTING to steal a vNPC baby, however, I would think, would likely be ok. There's a difference between:
emote races by, snatching the squeeling baby from %woman grasp and darting out the door with a sinister elven cackle.
And:
emote approaches slyly from the side as ~woman is distracted, reaching for the child in an attempt to pluck it from %woman arms.
One gives a chance for the other player to respond, and if it's not a plotline they feel comfortable pursuing, then they won't. I suppose you could proceed to stab them to death, but damn, man, I guess you really needed that baby. Could do it to a vNPC mother instead. The other offers the player with the baby no option to respond, or somehow communicate that "No, I don't want to engage in this form of RP with you, as it's a sensitive issue, more important than your stump's baby-shaking focus.". I suppose I, personally, find the idea of a collaborative story much more attractive than RPing some baby-spiking lunatic. Is your motive to do something that's realistic for the character? Or some OOC motive to be just as disgusting and vile as possible for the lulz?
In the end, it's important to consider that there's a player on the other end, and, as someone else put it, be an
entertaining villain. You could try to steal the baby, leave room for failure, try to do it several times even. Toss it into a fire? Why not raise it as some sort of personal servant, it's not like it'll remember. Shoot, why not sell it to gypsies, or a certain noble house? Hold it for ransom, either for goods, coin, or favors. So many possibilities that don't involve swinging it around like a club to smite one's enemies.
but still, if having violent things happen to your pretend characters and their pretend children triggers you, there are plenty of other MUDs where you can have pretend children without the risk.
odd that they would want to raise children in Zalanthas of all places
Quote from: TheWanderer on September 21, 2015, 07:15:07 AM
but still, if having violent things happen to your pretend characters and their pretend children triggers you, there are plenty of other MUDs where you can have pretend children without the risk.
odd that they would want to raise children in Zalanthas of all places
... rape was taken out of the game why? I could be mistaken, but the way I read about it, it was triggering responses that weren't compatible with the setting. Further, everyone knows it's only natural for a mother to fiercely defend their children, try getting between a bear and its cubs sometime, so I really don't find it unusual that the characters would flip out about the act (and players who have had similar experiences IRL, might, of course, have a bit more of a reaction). Besides, babies in Zalanthas have to come from somewhere. I played hellmoo for a time, there's a good place to be senselessly disturbing. Bait pole with baby, cast pole to e, drink margarita (I did this, I was underwhelmed with the fish I caught). One could say baby spikers, also, have a place to indulge their tendencies. There's even a coded option to shake a baby, as well as XP rewards for feeding them to a shoggoth.
EDIT: To give you an idea why I take it seriously, consider this... there was some massive fallout when a pro-birth movement gathered enough funding to put pictures of aborted fetuses on billboards and buses and the like... it wasn't long before they were taken down. It wasn't only causing some serious emotional reactions from women who'd had abortions, but miscarriages as well. It wasn't very well thought out.
Eh ... just let people have their have their vbabies and vpregnancies in peace. :-\
If you really want to fuck up their day you can always kill them and then do whatever you want with the vbaby afterwards.
posting pictures of aborted fetuses vs stealing someone's imaginary child. hmm.
if your psyche is so fragile that harm coming to your virtual baby is going to set you off, maybe you're in a better state -not- having a child in this post-apocalyptic game where death rates should actually be pretty high for newborns and children in general. There are just better outlets on the web for that kind of rp.
on the topic of rape in the world, yes, there was an IC response that didn't line up properly with how commonplace that sort of thing should be. The biggest reason for its removal, as I recall, was that staff got tired of dealing with the string of complaints from people that were unwillingly brought into a rape plotline (unjustified accusations of rape that ruined the OOC reputation of a person, for example). I mean, I don't miss rape, but the word has pretty much been forgotten IG. It's become tabbbboooooo. I can't remember the last time I've seen somebody even touch on the topic. You could probably rewrite any documentation on breeds and say they're just the product of kinky people.
If you're going to bring children into the equation and treat them as a living, breathing part of the world, you should be prepared to lose that thing like any other thing currently inhabiting Zalanthas.
i guess it would kind of suck if people started thinking a game that highlights the murder of others isn't family-oriented, though.
Armageddon is full of mentally fucked up players. You can never tell what event will trigger a massive meltdown from a player.
That's the beauty of this game!
The only real problem I have with vbabies in Armageddon is when you can see PCs going everywhere with them, including places you really shouldn't take babies because they could get hurt or worse. But because there's no vNPC threat aside from what you make yourself, anything like that just gets handwaved or ignored entirely.
I'd at least be expecting odd looks from anyone nearby for bringing a possibly screaming baby with me into crowded, rowdy taverns, and maybe a few treating me like an idiot for doing it.
When did the mudsex hate cycle thread shift into pregnancy/baby hate? Should it be added to the cycle?
I know this may come as a surprise to some of you internet tuff guys, but proving that you're a bad motherfucker by killing someone's virtual kid is one of those "juice not worth the squeeze" situations. Same with rape plots.
It's not even strictly about killing the children of PCs (but I'm sure that would get a point across). If you're unwilling to let the good -and- bad affect the child, such as a plot to kidnap said child and sell it into slavery, what is that child but pointless fluff? It's like it doesn't even exist, too far removed from the realm of reality due to OOC trepidation.
"You could kill the PC and just take the baby." You -could- do that and leave yourself with a virtual baby that only advances things on the virtual side (like toss it off a cliff or something - I don't have one of these magical nannies willing to devote thirteen years), or you could take the baby and make it a plot device. Something worth fighting for. You could be forced to serve someone based on the leverage they have over your children. Real plots.
Or you can turn it into something useless and the equivalent of a bird you plant on your shoulder while you idle in the Gaj.
Quote from: Is Friday on September 21, 2015, 11:50:51 AM
I know this may come as a surprise to some of you internet tuff guys.
fite me. you won't
Quote from: Is Friday on September 21, 2015, 11:50:51 AM
I know this may come as a surprise to some of you internet tuff guys, but proving that you're a bad motherfucker by killing someone's virtual kid is one of those "juice not worth the squeeze" situations. Same with rape plots.
I'd
gladlyeasily kill peoples in-game children if I thought it could start a good revenge plot and was done in a realistic fashion(with staff help, basically). I really don't think it's comparable to rape plots.
edit: Maybe gladly is the wrong word. Anyways it's got nothing about being internet tough.
Yep, pointless fluff to some (me included?) But some players enjoy the details they solo RP or force onto others when they finally get them into the apartment for that babby RP.
The game needs to have some level of indulgence for this kind of homemaker RP. Otherwise you are driving players away from the game that we as a community would rather keep. For the same reason we have consent rules. We need players. If you drove away these demographics you'd literally just have a bunch of Desertmans Gage Gritshawing at each other.
You shouldn't be allowed to run rampant living out your power fantasy at the expense of literally everyone, because "being an asshole is good RP". For the same reason there's a lot of scrutiny on karma PCs and leadership for PK.
It's supposed to be a happy medium between role-playing a harsh environment and providing fun to players. The goal is not to upset people IRL.
I'm all for making fun for others, but turning every rotten thing in-game into an expression of some power fantasy, or violence wank or whatever instead of a part of roleplay or storytelling is what I have a problem with.
IF just mad cause that virtual kid I would have thrown into a fire would have been his PC.
If you would like to play a game where nothing is sacred then you can try HellMOO. They attract the best kind of players, I heard.
Edit: BadSkeelz your PC would have died a terrible death trying.
Quote from: Is Friday on September 21, 2015, 01:00:53 PM
If you would like to play a game where nothing is sacred then you can try HellMOO. They attract the best kind of players, I heard.
What amuses me about this post is you've probably played that shit hole of a mud and I wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole.
Quote from: RogueGunslinger on September 21, 2015, 01:04:47 PM
Quote from: Is Friday on September 21, 2015, 01:00:53 PM
If you would like to play a game where nothing is sacred then you can try HellMOO. They attract the best kind of players, I heard.
What amuses me about this post is you've probably played that shit hole of a mud and I wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole.
I haven't, actually.
Well fine, you got me there, but you did play Furcadia. :P
It's not my fault that you won't roll deep with a Teamspeak crew into furry isometric games and try to troll people. We know how to have fun.
Quote from: Is Friday on September 21, 2015, 01:00:53 PM
If you would like to play a game where nothing is sacred then you can try HellMOO. They attract the best kind of players, I heard.
Edit: BadSkeelz your PC would have died a terrible death trying.
That's what the "wait for Staff intervention then sweep in to gather up the spoils/kill babies" strategy is for.
As for what we're apparently actually arguing about (seriously we're arguing about babies now?) the only big check I have on emoting with other peoples' virtual kids is not wanting to power-emote. Virtual Kids are particularly tricky because there's no way to seize control of them through code: every action needs to be negotiated with the parent PC, whether explicitly ("OOC: can I hold your babby?") or implicitly (emote offers the babby to ~babby.daddy). And there's always the risk that someone might do the "wrong" thing and upset one party or another. Maybe walking that tightrope is difficult for some people but I've never had a problem (though I've never tried to actually kill anyone's virtual kid in game yet, either) and just accept it as part of the games' unwritten or loosely written rules. Best thing I've found is to present possible actions and allow other people to choose how to respond, then go with that.
For what it's worth, I've seen a lot of great Virtual Kid or Sibling RP over the years by others. Far far more than bad or hysterical or whatever hypothetical it is we're getting worked up over.
i lost track. equating morally reprehensible acts to a nerd on a power trip is silly as shit, though.
(https://i.imgur.com/rmdSxh.jpg)
There's literally no reason to kill that baby right there. If it's alive, it keeps fresh for being tossed in the stewpot later.
Quote from: TheWanderer on September 21, 2015, 01:26:45 PM
i lost track. equating morally reprehensible acts to a nerd on a power trip is silly as shit, though.
I dunno. Some of us like to play the game with others, though, not just wank off to how awesome our own PCs are.
Quote from: Is Friday on September 21, 2015, 01:59:43 PM
Quote from: TheWanderer on September 21, 2015, 01:26:45 PM
i lost track. equating morally reprehensible acts to a nerd on a power trip is silly as shit, though.
I dunno. Some of us like to play the game with others, though, not just wank off to how awesome our own PCs are.
What does killing a vnpc have to do with trying to be awesome or self-masturbatory? Surely that would be better done by killing a PC or even NPC?
Quote from: Is Friday on September 21, 2015, 01:59:43 PM
Quote from: TheWanderer on September 21, 2015, 01:26:45 PM
i lost track. equating morally reprehensible acts to a nerd on a power trip is silly as shit, though.
I dunno. Some of us like to play the game with others, though, not just wank off to how awesome our own PCs are.
are you under the impression that performing nefarious acts means your character masturbates to himself and doesn't play with other people? wat
edit: oh, excuse me. on my phone. you meant the player masturbates to himself. I'd like to set the record straight and say me doing that has nothing to do with my characters.
I've been wondering if IsFriday is subtly trolling me by arguing for the same notion I think I'm arguing for... like, haha, guys, he still doesn't get I'm making fun of him. Regardless, I agree with a number of his posts on the subject of vbabies, and I think I recalling him post that he really doesn't like them anyway. In a toilet like Hellmoo, not only is it appropriate to the setting to throw babies into the gaping maw of sewer alligators, as there's an impregnation ban, there's also no "IC", it's not an RPI, the investment simply isn't there. In an RPI, it's different, people get much more in tune with their characters and actions, as, how could you not with such strict rules regarding setting and what your character knows, along with harsh consequences for actions. To expect there to be absolutely no bleed-through strikes me as absurd, and to learn to immerse oneself in a character and their emotions so totally means roasting live babies, yes, can have a significant impact on some, one possibly best left unexplored in some situations.
Because as was said, I, too, enjoy playing with people. I'd like there to be more people to play with, not fewer. Telling a particular type of person, "I think this other mud would be better for you because you react in a rather human manner to harmful stimulus." would really leave us missing some pieces in what could be a rather interesting tale. Not everyone is the same type of gamer, it takes all types to build a community. Not everyone has the same thickness of skin.
isFriday is now a dad, so babies and vbabies are now sacred little beings to him and not the annoying shitheads jr the rest of us see them as they are.
BTW ALL UR BABIES ARE UGLY AND I DON'T WANT TO SEE PICS OF THEM
I'm just saying you have to come to a middle ground for the game's sake. If people don't want to RP being tortured, they can opt out (and sometimes be killed.) People can opt out of sexual RP. Armageddon on a meta level is more cooperative (for interaction's sake) than competitive. Clarification: that is not to imply that PCs must or should cooperate. I'm only referring to scene building and RP, not individual actions.
Quote from: BadSkeelz on September 21, 2015, 01:16:35 PM
As for what we're apparently actually arguing about (seriously we're arguing about babies now?) the only big check I have on emoting with other peoples' virtual kids is not wanting to power-emote. Virtual Kids are particularly tricky because there's no way to seize control of them through code: every action needs to be negotiated with the parent PC, whether explicitly ("OOC: can I hold your babby?") or implicitly (emote offers the babby to ~babby.daddy). And there's always the risk that someone might do the "wrong" thing and upset one party or another. Maybe walking that tightrope is difficult for some people but I've never had a problem (though I've never tried to actually kill anyone's virtual kid in game yet, either) and just accept it as part of the games' unwritten or loosely written rules. Best thing I've found is to present possible actions and allow other people to choose how to respond, then go with that.
For what it's worth, I've seen a lot of great Virtual Kid or Sibling RP over the years by others. Far far more than bad or hysterical or whatever hypothetical it is we're getting worked up over.
Because this got skipped over by folks wanting to be offended.
emo makes a grab for %parent bundle of joy.
Don't make assumptions about how that player is going to react.
Quote from: BadSkeelz on September 21, 2015, 01:16:35 PM
Quote from: Is Friday on September 21, 2015, 01:00:53 PM
If you would like to play a game where nothing is sacred then you can try HellMOO. They attract the best kind of players, I heard.
Edit: BadSkeelz your PC would have died a terrible death trying.
That's what the "wait for Staff intervention then sweep in to gather up the spoils/kill babies" strategy is for.
As for what we're apparently actually arguing about (seriously we're arguing about babies now?) the only big check I have on emoting with other peoples' virtual kids is not wanting to power-emote. Virtual Kids are particularly tricky because there's no way to seize control of them through code: every action needs to be negotiated with the parent PC, whether explicitly ("OOC: can I hold your babby?") or implicitly (emote offers the babby to ~babby.daddy). And there's always the risk that someone might do the "wrong" thing and upset one party or another. Maybe walking that tightrope is difficult for some people but I've never had a problem (though I've never tried to actually kill anyone's virtual kid in game yet, either) and just accept it as part of the games' unwritten or loosely written rules. Best thing I've found is to present possible actions and allow other people to choose how to respond, then go with that.
For what it's worth, I've seen a lot of great Virtual Kid or Sibling RP over the years by others. Far far more than bad or hysterical or whatever hypothetical it is we're getting worked up over.
This thread is shit. I don't know why I read it. But I'm bored.
And I think this is probably the only post really worth reading, as far as your current topic. I think it's something where baby objects were purposely taken out of the game because they didn't want role-play focused on children at all. It was allowed for pregnancy to be in game, but it was a personal plot. It is, simply, on that edge where any 'plots' involved aren't actually enjoyable for anyone, and it really is just someone wanting to do a 'harmful' thing. If you just want to show the harshness of the game...there are plenty of child NPC's for you to kidnap and sell into slavery. If you insist that it must happen to this PC's children to enforce the harshness, then your reasoning is messed up because you are obviously insisting on a specific target, which reinforces that it's not 'just for the fact that happens'.
People's virtual children are facilities of their own personal roleplay, not a target for vengeance plots or creation of vengeance plots (what?). Otherwise we can all roleplay fucking your virtual mothers and becoming your IC step.daddies so we can tell your PC's what to do. Or whatever. i.e. Leave the control of virtual creations to the people who created them, because it is theirs and in no way interrupting or interacting with your side of things aside from...having to see it, sometimes?
I don't think anyone disagrees with staff's decision to not let a baby-stealing plot happen because of a players personal choice not to want to.
Quote from: RogueGunslinger on September 21, 2015, 03:22:43 PM
I don't think anyone disagrees with staff's decision to not let a baby-stealing plot happen because of a players personal choice not to want to.
Er. Did I miss something? I just read up on like the last three pages, and this seemed to come about because someone talked about staff not wanting to let them kidnap virtual babies.
Wouldn't want to rustle somebody's jimmies, amirite? Highlord have mercy.
The biggest drawback to removing baby objects from the game is that you can no longer load them into crossbows.
Quote from: TheWanderer on September 21, 2015, 03:35:36 PM
Wouldn't want to rustle somebody's jimmies, amirite? Highlord have mercy.
You sir, are clearly a reductionist. Or selective reader.
Quote from: Armaddict on September 21, 2015, 03:32:25 PM
Quote from: RogueGunslinger on September 21, 2015, 03:22:43 PM
I don't think anyone disagrees with staff's decision to not let a baby-stealing plot happen because of a players personal choice not to want to.
Er. Did I miss something? I just read up on like the last three pages, and this seemed to come about because someone talked about staff not wanting to let them kidnap virtual babies.
One person said something about a person who could react badly to stuff like that probably shouldn't play Arm. But that doesn't really have much to do with agreeing or disagreeing with staff's decision to not let a plot happen because of respect out of someones real life experiences. They're not mutually exclusive.
QuotePeople's virtual children are facilities of their own personal roleplay, not a target for vengeance plots or creation of vengeance plots (what?).
I cannot agree with this statement. VNPC family members are totally fair game for any sort of plot. They're just trickier to interact with on an OOC level because they "belong" to the player who created them and I for one don't want to power-emote with them. Going up to someone and saying "Hey I killed your Virtual dad while you were offline" is power-emoting. Targeting family members to get at a target is a time-honored tradition in both Zalanthas and real life and it's silly to declare them off-limits.
The only reason I didn't get to kill someone's kids during a particular plot was because the PCs on the otherside had wisely evacuated by the time we got there. And I've come to discover that other (virtual) children had been a big bargaining chip on the table. Like most things, whether a kid-killing plot is good or shit comes down to the maturity of the players and their ability to execute in a mutually entertaining manner (as best as possible, anyway).
Quote from: Armaddict on September 21, 2015, 03:43:26 PM
Quote from: TheWanderer on September 21, 2015, 03:35:36 PM
Wouldn't want to rustle somebody's jimmies, amirite? Highlord have mercy.
You sir, are clearly a reductionist. Or selective reader.
S'more like a comment on your last post where you basically state VNPCs should be disregarded 'cause they're personal.
Edit: pretty much what Badskeelz said.
Ehhhh...if we're going to get into wars over whose emotes and roleplay not-in-the-presence-of-the-other-party get precedence, we should play MOOs.
Otherwise there's going to be an entire tangle of 'But I specifically roleplayed out this, they couldn't have taken the baby that way.'
'Well I didn't see that and we've already continued roleplay as if it happened, do we retcon this all now? This is bullshit.'
Again. Just...leave virtual stuff...to its owners. It, again, has little to no bearing on what is actually happening in the game. You can cause them emotional strife through -actual- PC targets and -actual- interaction, rather than quibbles about what happens when people are logged off or what roleplay was already in place. And again, if you're wanting to just roleplay the randomness of the existence of the thing happening...there are plenty of coded entities for you to make that behavior on.
Every 'virtual family member' encounter requires so much oversight to make sure it's going properly it's ridiculous. It's a bad, bad, terrible way to try and 'win' when there are so many alternatives that the game actually -does- incentivize and take into account.
Quote from: TheWanderer on September 21, 2015, 03:55:01 PM
Quote from: Armaddict on September 21, 2015, 03:43:26 PM
Quote from: TheWanderer on September 21, 2015, 03:35:36 PM
Wouldn't want to rustle somebody's jimmies, amirite? Highlord have mercy.
You sir, are clearly a reductionist. Or selective reader.
S'more like a comment on your last post where you basically state VNPCs should be disregarded 'cause they're personal.
S'more like I said they shouldn't be the center of plots because they 'belong' to someone and nothing good comes out of making it the center of something.
say (with a wave of his hand) These are not the plots you're looking for.
Something being difficult to do doesn't mean it should be forbidden. Playing with others' virtual family members is an area that warrants stepping lightly to avoid getting entangled in such drama as you describe, Armaddict, but there are ways to make it work.
My personal favorite anecdote is someone who had a virtual kid, which they represented in their apartment by a crib arranged as "a wet-nurse tends to a crib, holding a fat-faced baby." That's two virtual NPCs right there- the nurse and the baby.
They returned one day to find someone had re-arranged the crib to display "a dead nurse lies next to an empty crib." I don't know how the murderer and kidnapper RPed out killing the nurse and stealing the baby, but that they did is totally fair play in my book.
We don't draw a line at stealing someone's boots or mount ticket because the items "belong to them" and to take them would be to diminish their enjoyment. Virtual family members are no different - the player has brought them into the game and made them a part of the collective story of Armageddon and now they must deal with the consequences, positive and negative. Is interacting with them difficult? Yes. Is it impossible to do in a mutually-satisfying manner? No.
If you ever feel the need to harm a PC's virtual family members, I would strongly suggest taking it up with Staff first. Explain the situation, explain what you know of how these virtual family member behave (And what PC they belong to!) and outline your plan of attack. Try and work with Staff who can act as a mediator between PC parties so that there's little OOC confusion over who's done what to whom and when.
Quote from: Armaddict on September 21, 2015, 03:59:59 PM
S'more like I said they shouldn't be the center of plots because they 'belong' to someone and nothing good comes out of making it the center of something.
not exactly what you said, but hokay.
How this thread is going,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLZo2v28uGY
I've wanted to play an eccintric noble for some time who picks a few semi-random commoner vNPC children to raise in the arts of refinement, hopefully to one day serve the house, it being such a privilege and all, but that's really a thin veil of what it at first appears, hostages, to ensure the characters do my bidding. Oh? Sorry to hear of your recent fumbling of that acquisition, I'd think it most dreadful if Timmy suffered an accident in the kitchen. Oh, of course, I know you won't mess up this time, you're far too smart for that.
Of course, he'd likely just bump the parents off if they messed up too much, no sense in wasting all that time and effort when a few of them are bound to make it into the Atrium squeeze the other potential aides dry of juicy gossip.
Quote from: BadSkeelz on September 21, 2015, 04:23:09 PM
If you ever feel the need to harm a PC's virtual family members, I would strongly suggest taking it up with Staff first. Explain the situation, explain what you know of how these virtual family member behave (And what PC they belong to!) and outline your plan of attack. Try and work with Staff who can act as a mediator between PC parties so that there's little OOC confusion over who's done what to whom and when.
I assumed everybody would naturally reach out to staff when attempting to interact with the virtual world, not just blatantly power your way through a scene of stealing a child. It was when that one guy said staff wasn't up for a baby-stealing heist 'cause the staff member got flak from a player that I got disheartened.
How many stories have started with some nefarious villain stealing away the dashing dude's righteous baby? I can understand aversions to rape and graphic torture, but this (the baby-stealing and assault of one's family, not torture and rape) has always struck me as a mainstay of the storytelling universe. Characters should always take the virtual world into account when acting, and I feel like that should include the welfare of their family.
Quote from: TheWanderer on September 21, 2015, 04:34:57 PM
I assumed everybody would naturally reach out to staff when attempting to interact with the virtual world, not just blatantly power your way through a scene of stealing a child. It was when that one guy said staff wasn't up for a baby-stealing heist 'cause the staff member got flak from a player that I got disheartened.
If something like that actually happened (staff squashed a plot because the PC family member objected to their vNPC relatives being targeted) I hope they would communicate that to the antagonist PC. I would want to know so I could either proceed to A) immediately escalate to trying to kill the target PC or B) begin disengaging from the plot entirely. In both cases it's because I wouldn't really feel comfortable continuing to RP with a player who is that unreasonable.
It could be that that player has valid reasons for not wanting to see that RPed out. I'd like to know that they at least exist, because I want to respect others' sensibilities and tailor my RP for the future accordingly. But I think in this case, where a PC's created a virtual family and brought them into the game and would find harm to them THIS upsetting, it would be better for that PC to not to have done that at all. When you bring a virtual object in to the game and then declare it off-limits to everyone else,
you are the one power-emoting. You're making it unfair for other players.
That's a slippery slope and a lot of hassle to monitor for admins.
Quote from: Is Friday on September 21, 2015, 05:03:51 PM
That's a slippery slope and a lot of hassle to monitor for admins.
What are you referring to, exactly?
I evacuated that virtual baby, Skeelz. the older vnpc children could look after themselves.
Dunno if you would want my pc looking after your kids but the mother had asked me to in the event of her getting ded.
Killing that baby would have totally made it worthwhile staying up till 3am on a work night.
I don't buy this argument that virtual stuff should be treated as someone's else safe, special property. By having a virtual X, you're changing who your character is, and imposing IC consequences and a specific reputation hit on any would-be attacker.
Like, just suppose that you play out that you have a [virtual] crippled husband who needs your help to even eat. In an act of desperation, you do something bad and the penalty is death. Now I'm the executioner sent to kill you. This sounds like a fun plot, but my point is that killing your character is - ICly - now a much weightier task for me ... because I'm dooming someone to starvation.
Same goes with virtual babies. If I want to kill you for unrelated reasons, I'm a baby killer.
It's more convenient to have the owner of the virtual stuff "own" it in some sense, but it should be everyone's to play with.
The few PCs I've had who had children, adopted or birthed, have always responded to the world around them as if it were a threat to their well-being, and acted accordingly. Threaten the PC, ha, yeah, heard plenty of that. Make a vague threat against the children, however, and expect a not so nonchalant response. They tend to be the same way with mates. I doubt I'd just let a PC snatch my PC's child from my hands, unless it was well-emoted and there was some plot buildup to it, but I can assure you that, if I did, I'd be hounding the offending PC until I was convinced the vNPC was safe.
How about this, for all you aspiring baby-killer people... ok, I get it. What you need is perspective. Grow your own little vNPC maggot in the conventional way, then, when you have possession of it, kick off a plot where a vNPC steals your baby, try it a few times under different circumstances, and discuss it with your mate, make it a plotline and see if, really, you want to toss that random baby into a fire on another character.
The alternative is having kids IRL. If I have any, I haven't met them. I was good for only a few things, my looks, my mind, and, well, several other abilities and assets. Am I mad about that? No. Dissappointed, well, kind of, but if the mother decided to snag my genes and run, she was carrying most of the risk, I have little say in the matter of what she wants to do... it's been hinted to me that, well, these are probably yours, but never confirmed entirely. Still, if someone threatened them, I know I'd have a reaction, it wouldn't be by conditioning, because it's obvious I've completely decimated my sense of morality many times over the years, and little of that's left. I think it's natural to have a very strong reaction to a threat against one's offspring, quite a bit stronger than a personal threat. I mean, let's be totally honest, WHY do you want to roast the baby on a spit? Likely because killing your enemies isn't enough of an insult. But, if they're already dead, what's the point? May as well make some coin selling the younglings to Borsail, which is a win-win-win scenario. Slaves are commonly known to live better than commoners in Zalanthas, and to have opportunity for growth, advancement, learning, depending on their attributes, so the child wins. You win because you get fucking paid. Even the dead parents win because some piece of them lives on buried in a virtual environment that'll likely never be explored.
Or you can be Amos the baby-eater. Hope that was tasty as fuck. I just fail to see the logic here.
I mean, I understand that Machiavelli advocates wiping the whole line, so that they might never seek revenge, but, number one, Machiavelli lived during the renaissance, which was a time during which the human brain showed recorded growth. Number two, he wasn't always right, he was just one of the smartest individuals that happened to exist at that time. Some of his words are certainly applicable today, but I'd be more likely to chalk this sort of thing up to superstition and the concept of birth-rights, which, most Zalanthans wouldn't have rights to shit, so I don't see how the logical half of the argument even makes sense, unless you're destroying a noble or merchant house, in which case, yes, roast the babies.
That's a whole lot of crazy silly shit, Fujikoma. "Greater brain growth in the Renaissance," Lol wut?
If you don't want your virtual kids murdered, either don't have virtual kids, take steps to protect them, or don't make murdering them so appealing. And there are plenty of good reasons why killing them would be appealing.
Maybe you want to achieve complete victory over a person and all that that person has built in life, even after their death. Maybe you're just being pragmatic - nits make lice, kill 'em while they're young, etc. Maybe you just want to blow off some steam and the kid's an available target. If the parent's still alive, harming a loved one's an effective mean of intimidation or coercion. Getting a reaction from the parent would be the whole point. Someone's gone to ground but you got their family? Tell them to contact their kids mind right before you smash its head in. That'll draw the parent out. Maybe.
Sometimes selling the kid's a nice option, but not every character is going to think like that. For some characters, cruelty trumps economic pragmatism.
I hire virtual bodyguards with virtual money to protect my virtual kids. This is going to get silly pretty damn quick.
Or I can just say no, sorry. You don't get to interact with my virtual family.
Quote from: Jingo on September 22, 2015, 02:20:41 PM
I hire virtual bodyguards with virtual money to protect my virtual kids. This is going to get silly pretty damn quick.
Or I can just say no, sorry. You don't get to interact with my virtual family.
Or you can find some middle ground for the sake of cooperative roleplay?
Hrrmmm, possibly either something I read (or misread) in a middle or high school textbook (known to be flawed), or something in one of those documentaries they showed us that I accepted without proof. Ah well, is good for me to figure these things out eventually, rather than continue to believe them without evidence. I can't find anything on the evolution of the human brain in recent history. I also don't recall them telling us in school that the Renaissance was caused by a horrible plague wiping out some huge portion of the population and causing them to flee to places like Italy... of course, I've also heard not to believe anything posted to Wikipedia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_science_in_the_Renaissance
While it's better to have researched something and not looked like a chump in the first place, being able to admit a mistake is crucial, apologies.
Quote from: RogueGunslinger on September 22, 2015, 02:25:16 PM
Quote from: Jingo on September 22, 2015, 02:20:41 PM
I hire virtual bodyguards with virtual money to protect my virtual kids. This is going to get silly pretty damn quick.
Or I can just say no, sorry. You don't get to interact with my virtual family.
Or you can find some middle ground for the sake of cooperative roleplay?
I could. But the point is that I don't have to.
That's kind of like saying "I could RP out being dropped to 5 HP by grievous hits from a mek with no lasting ill effects, but I don't have to." You might not be breaking any rules but it's still poor form.
If you bring a virtual kid into the world and RP that kid being around your character and generally accessible, don't get OOCly mad if a raider threatens to shoot the virtual baby in your arms with a crossbow.
Quote from: BadSkeelz on September 22, 2015, 04:13:14 PM
That's kind of like saying "I could RP out being dropped to 5 HP by grievous hits from a mek with no lasting ill effects, but I don't have to." You might not be breaking any rules but it's still poor form.
If you bring a virtual kid into the world and RP that kid being around your character and generally accessible, don't get OOCly mad if a raider threatens to shoot the virtual baby in your arms with a crossbow.
I don't think that's the issue that's being discussed, unless you enter and just 'emote shoots the baby with his crossbow'. There, it's quite clearly a case where the 'owner' of the child is still able to tell how things are and determine/dictate how things are going. That -is- cooperative roleplay.
My issue comes about when people roleplay a breakin, decide that they have kidnapped this baby, and say it happened because they roleplayed it. In which case it can be countered with 'I had the baby, and slept in the Gaj', or 'Did you walk past the front, because I always play the people at the front desk knowing my kids very well and they'd be able to spot it and tell me who did it.'
i.e. The issue is not when both parties are present, but when someone decides to do the play on their own without the other party present. Which requires staff time (to investigate if this has merit and is doable or not) or a pre-arranged deal. Which...is what people have been saying. So I don't think your example has merit unless we've been standing on opposite sides of a fence and shouting in opposite directions of each other.
Quote from: BadSkeelz on September 22, 2015, 04:13:14 PM
That's kind of like saying "I could RP out being dropped to 5 HP by grievous hits from a mek with no lasting ill effects, but I don't have to." You might not be breaking any rules but it's still poor form.
If you bring a virtual kid into the world and RP that kid being around your character and generally accessible, don't get OOCly mad if a raider threatens to shoot the virtual baby in your arms with a crossbow.
I don't think anyone is going to complain about someone threatening to do something to your vnpc <whatever> while you're RP'ing that the vnpc is there with you, because then the two of you can hash it out.
The problem is when someone purports to have done something to your vnpc <whatever> while you aren't there to referee and say, "Hey, that's not how it would actually go down, because you're missing x/y/z bits of information." And at this point, you have to start crying to the Staff, and they get annoyed, and everyone gets mad butt-hurt, because everyone knows what's in their heart is right (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nLD8Bbt9G0).
Keep in mind if you just ride up and threaten a PC's virtual family, their response might be a bit shocking, especially if they're an Elkrosian.
Some folks leave their virtual family in their apartments via the way they arrange objects in there though. I think that makes the situation less clean cut in terms of who is right to be playing around with other people's vfamily.
Quote from: BadSkeelz on September 22, 2015, 04:13:14 PM
That's kind of like saying "I could RP out being dropped to 5 HP by grievous hits from a mek with no lasting ill effects, but I don't have to." You might not be breaking any rules but it's still poor form.
If you bring a virtual kid into the world and RP that kid being around your character and generally accessible, don't get OOCly mad if a raider threatens to shoot the virtual baby in your arms with a crossbow.
I would get irritated oocly. The matter is that the second actor doesn't have any agency over the first actor's virtual family. Even if they are RP'd in the area. So if you threaten my vnpc biby, I can just disappear it to safety with virtual magick and an emote.
The tressy-tressed woman throws her babbie in a football toss out the tavern entrance and is received by her virtual brother who will then ferry behby to safety.
Is it tacky as fuck? Yeah.
Is it a power-emote? Possibly.
Do I still get to do it? Yeah.
Not to mention Is Friday's edgelord argument, which I am fairly sympathetic to.
Quote from: musashi on September 22, 2015, 07:08:27 PM
Some folks leave their virtual family in their apartments via the way they arrange objects in there though. I think that makes the situation less clean cut in terms of who is right to be playing around with other people's vfamily.
People doing that probably (and if they don't, should) expect that by doing so, they've opened that virtual family up to being effected by the non-virtual world.
That's the whole reason I've done that, in the past. Sadly, I never came back to find my virtual family murdered.
Slackers.
If someone targeted my virtual family I'd be so flattered!
Totally murdered someone's vnpc nanny once. Busted into an apartment, did some creepy magick stuff, walked into a bedroom to find a crib ldesc'd with having a nanny lady tending to a kid inside. Murderized said nanny with magickal nastiness and arranged the ldesc to show a dead nanny and unharmed babeh.
See, gickers don't eat babehs!
Seeing the player react to the whole thing a day or so later on down the road was pretty damn awesome though. Worth. 10/10 would kill vnpc's again.
What Skeelz said. If you have a vnpc family they are fair game the same as your pc family/ friends.
Poor form if you globe of invulnerability them unless you have the magic ability to create an actual globe of invulnerability. Of course just saying I virtually killed your family is a power emote of the worst kind. You would need to work with imms in most cases.
Quote from: Inks on September 24, 2015, 07:46:00 AM
What Skeelz said. If you have a vnpc family they are fair game the same as your pc family/ friends.
Poor form if you globe of invulnerability them unless you have the magic ability to create an actual globe of invulnerability. Of course just saying I virtually killed your family is a power emote of the worst kind. You would need to work with imms in most cases.
Incorrect.
Personally, I think it's part of the game and one should be flattered that someone thought to include your virtual family in a plotline. At the same time, I can understand people having emotional issues with that sort of thing so poor form or not, if someone globe of invulnerabilitys their text baby, I won't be filing a complaint. Personally, there's only a few circumstances under which I'd screw with someone's virtual family.
Quote from: Majikal on September 24, 2015, 05:01:22 AM
Totally murdered someone's vnpc nanny once. Busted into an apartment, did some creepy magick stuff, walked into a bedroom to find a crib ldesc'd with having a nanny lady tending to a kid inside. Murderized said nanny with magickal nastiness and arranged the ldesc to show a dead nanny and unharmed babeh.
What if I play Armageddon to try and take my mind off of being traumatized for life when my nanny was murdered in RL when I was but a wee child?
Quote from: Malken on September 24, 2015, 05:01:28 PM
What if I play Armageddon to try and take my mind off of being traumatized for life when my nanny was murdered in RL when I was but a wee child?
Reevaluate your entertainment/therapy choices.
Quote from: BadSkeelz on September 24, 2015, 05:07:00 PM
Quote from: Malken on September 24, 2015, 05:01:28 PM
What if I play Armageddon to try and take my mind off of being traumatized for life when my nanny was murdered in RL when I was but a wee child?
Reevaluate your entertainment/therapy choices.
The best answer is to replace your nanny with a body double and continue playing like it never happened.
Quote from: BadSkeelz on September 24, 2015, 05:07:00 PM
Quote from: Malken on September 24, 2015, 05:01:28 PM
What if I play Armageddon to try and take my mind off of being traumatized for life when my nanny was murdered in RL when I was but a wee child?
Reevaluate your entertainment/therapy choices.
I was kidding, gee.
I played Armageddon to fap it up ol' school-like with bored housewives and isFriday, duh.
Or dress up in your dead nanny's bloody clothing and extract a terrible, terrible vengance.
Quote from: Malken on September 24, 2015, 05:15:31 PM
Quote from: BadSkeelz on September 24, 2015, 05:07:00 PM
Quote from: Malken on September 24, 2015, 05:01:28 PM
What if I play Armageddon to try and take my mind off of being traumatized for life when my nanny was murdered in RL when I was but a wee child?
Reevaluate your entertainment/therapy choices.
I was kidding, gee.
I played Armageddon to fap it up ol' school-like with bored housewives and isFriday, duh.
That's a one way fap session, sir. But aren't they all?
To the would-be kidnappers and killers of VNPCs, I would ask who gets to decide if you succeed? There are few things of consequence in the game where you get to decide if your own character succeeds or not. Especially if there's any risk involved. For most things the code makes that call. Occasionally, for things like a slap across a PC's face, the intended victim's player makes that decision.
So that's one issue.
The other one I see is that VNPCs, being virtual, have an uncertain state most of the time. In other words, are they here or there? Awake or asleep? Alone or not? The exceptions to this are when the associated PC is "animating" them, or if the VNPC is part of an arrange description (which I personally don't care for).
It's just awkward if the attacker gets to decide all those things in their favor, and then decide that they succeed.
It also seems like the kind of plot that staff (very reasonably) wouldn't want to oversee, simply because it puts the burden on staff to make decisions about something virtual, possibly without any input from the person who imagined that VNPC in the first place.
I've had a PC or two with VNPC family, and I would have been totally okay with a plot affecting them, but less so if staff were just saying "Oh, by the way, here's what happened to your VNPC when you were logged out." And not at all if some other player just got to decide unilaterally about the success of their own PC against my VNPC.
Quote from: flurry on September 25, 2015, 04:50:45 PM
To the would-be kidnappers and killers of VNPCs, I would ask who gets to decide if you succeed? There are few things of consequence in the game where you get to decide if your own character succeeds or not. Especially if there's any risk involved. For most things the code makes that call. Occasionally, for things like a slap across a PC's face, the intended victim's player makes that decision.
So that's one issue.
The other one I see is that VNPCs, being virtual, have an uncertain state most of the time. In other words, are they here or there? Awake or asleep? Alone or not? The exceptions to this are when the associated PC is "animating" them, or if the VNPC is part of an arrange description (which I personally don't care for).
It's just awkward if the attacker gets to decide all those things in their favor, and then decide that they succeed.
It also seems like the kind of plot that staff (very reasonably) wouldn't want to oversee, simply because it puts the burden on staff to make decisions about something virtual, possibly without any input from the person who imagined that VNPC in the first place.
I've had a PC or two with VNPC family, and I would have been totally okay with a plot affecting them, but less so if staff were just saying "Oh, by the way, here's what happened to your VNPC when you were logged out." And not at all if some other player just got to decide unilaterally about the success of their own PC against my VNPC.
Yep. All this.
A couple pages back there was the example of the virtual wet nurse tending to the crib, and the wet nurse ending up dead. That's not a great example to give, I don't think, as a way this was handled well.
Where did this virtual wet nurse come from? When my PC has a baby, can I just make up a whole pile of vNPCs then? Who decides how many vNPCs I get to make up, just because I had a baby? If I have twins, do I have the power to make up more than one vNPC?
Maybe the vNPC I 'hired'/made up is actually a highly-trained assassin who is sitting there with a peraine blade in her boot and a heramide blade up her sleeve, just waiting for the person so stupid as to break into my apartment. Who decides that the PC in question codedly beats my super-assassin vNPC? The PC in question? How convenient.
And what what raider is actually using a crossbow? More often than not, crossbows are stupid.
Anyway, I hate when you find someone's head and they're havin' the mudsex and instead of just ignoring you...they find your head back and then get distracted and then they send you their naughty thoughts and sensations.
It doesn't happen often. Really...I think it's probably always happened with the same person (you know who you are...)
And I don't actually hate it at all. It makes me laugh every time.
I'm just trying to get the thread back on topic.
family is product of mudsex, so really, the thread's still on topic
In Arkansas, mudsex is the product of family...or something....Arkansas = Incest is where I'm trying to go with this.
I, for one, love ruining sexual tension by intentionally contacting people doing the nasty and sending them 5-10 Way messages in quick succession.
I love making shadow boners with Drovians. That really dampens the mood.
I was always hoping people would interact more with my previous virtual family. Folks were sort've lily-livered about it. They'd kinda acknowledge, but they wouldn't seize the day and start incorporating them. I guess that was expecting sort've a lot. I'd have been psyched if other players had emoted them getting into a fight or drinking all the booze or playing with my pc's lyre. Like Delirium, I always sort've wondered if I'd come back to find them murdered. No luck.
I never feel comfortable emoting with other people's VNPCs. I don't know their personalities or backgrounds. I don't want to get it all wrong. I've been basically given permission and even ICly hinted at to do so before, but it still felt wrong, like power-emoting.
I agree that they shouldn't be considered untouchable, though. ICly speaking, they are people just like a PC family would be, and if it's IC for somebody to threaten or harm someone's family, that should extend to VNPC families. It just has to be handled with care because you don't know who has in their background that their mother is a ninja or their father is a sorceror.
Quote from: Beethoven on October 07, 2015, 09:30:45 AM
I never feel comfortable emoting with other people's VNPCs. I don't know their personalities or backgrounds. I don't want to get it all wrong. I've been basically given permission and even ICly hinted at to do so before, but it still felt wrong, like power-emoting.
I agree that they shouldn't be considered untouchable, though. ICly speaking, they are people just like a PC family would be, and if it's IC for somebody to threaten or harm someone's family, that should extend to VNPC families. It just has to be handled with care because you don't know who has in their background that their mother is a ninja or their father is a sorceror.
This is pretty much how I feel.
Especially with babies. Just looking at this thread you can see babies are a super sensitive subject to be messing with. I don't want to traumatise anyone just because my PC has a top secret baby-tossing fetish. I'm hesitant enough to ever even harm other peoples' PCs.
Personalities, quirks, vices and virtues are unknown. But unless you're doing a family rolecall, everyone bleeds.
RP this accordingly.
The Room jokes aside, I dislike mudsex. Not for any moral reasons or whatnot. Time commitment is part of it, as well as the dreaded long pauses between emotes, and other things that've already been mentioned. Really, the thing I dislike most about it is the medium.
As far as writing goes, having to see the characters involved references by their sdescs every 1-3 sentences is very clunky, and it's so easy to hit the limit on how long a single emote can be. Individual actions get a lot of focus, and then you need to wait for the reactions, which make many possible actions very tentative since one doesn't know if X, Y, or Z will progress well, so trying to explore those aspects of a characters' relationships becomes more of a chore than anything. You can't wait for it to be over so you can go do something more interesting, but at least hope that the other party (or parties) is enjoying themselves.
I mean, gosh. If I wanted to indirectly experience clumsy, awkward boning, I'd just watch...
Yup, it happened. It circled back to the Room.
If Staff are going to drag me into clunky magickal cutscenes when I could be righteously dying in PVP combat-emote spamfest, then Staff are going to have to watch 3 hours of clunky IKEA-erotica sex scenes. This is the deal.
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Quote from: Taijan on October 07, 2015, 07:48:50 PM
The Room jokes aside, I dislike mudsex. Not for any moral reasons or whatnot. Time commitment is part of it, as well as the dreaded long pauses between emotes, and other things that've already been mentioned. Really, the thing I dislike most about it is the medium.
As far as writing goes, having to see the characters involved references by their sdescs every 1-3 sentences is very clunky, and it's so easy to hit the limit on how long a single emote can be. Individual actions get a lot of focus, and then you need to wait for the reactions, which make many possible actions very tentative since one doesn't know if X, Y, or Z will progress well, so trying to explore those aspects of a characters' relationships becomes more of a chore than anything. You can't wait for it to be over so you can go do something more interesting, but at least hope that the other party (or parties) is enjoying themselves.
I mean, gosh. If I wanted to indirectly experience clumsy, awkward boning, I'd just watch...
Yup, it happened. It circled back to the Room.
Exactly. It isn't because of "puritanical snobbiness" as people like to say, it's because of all of the above.
It's also taking one element of the story and focusing way too much on it for way too long - there's a reason most (non-romance) novels FTB the sex or gloss over it in a few paragraphs. If one must have non-virtual romance in their character's life, then I prefer to focus on the story between the characters, rather than on the nitty-gritty details of their sexual life.
And yes...
Too often, it feels like a lonely nerd is just trying to get online-laid. Sorry, but it does. And you don't have to be a puritanical snob for that to weird you out.
Quote from: Delirium on October 08, 2015, 09:26:46 AM
And yes...
Too often, it feels like a lonely nerd is just trying to get online-laid. Sorry, but it does. And you don't have to be a puritanical snob for that to weird you out.
Preach, sister!
Quote from: path on October 08, 2015, 09:30:05 AM
Quote from: Delirium on October 08, 2015, 09:26:46 AM
And yes...
Too often, it feels like a lonely nerd is just trying to get online-laid. Sorry, but it does. And you don't have to be a puritanical snob for that to weird you out.
Preach, sister!
Triple that creepy weird-out feeling, when you know that most of the playerbase is young enough to be your own child (or grandchild).
Quote from: Delirium on October 08, 2015, 09:26:46 AM
Too often, it feels like a lonely nerd is just trying to get online-laid. Sorry, but it does. And you don't have to be a puritanical snob for that to weird you out.
Dude, if it wasn't for lonely nerds just trying to get online-something'd, the mud would be pretty dead.
Don't diss your customer base!
I have zero problems with someone wanting to fade, or summarize. Sometimes, I insist on it, depending on circumstances. It's just an IC thing.
Ideas like "creepy nerds" are an OOC anachronism if taken out IC. Now, "creepy magicker" might work, or "needy breed", as a method for bringing justification for judgement of a character whose player doesn't fade often, well, maybe not really, but considering whether to fade or not is an OOC consideration, and shouldn't matter IC. What kind of weirdo gets a request for a fade, though, and either cuts off the plotline or murders the other character over it? I've heard of those things happening on the GDB.
Quote from: Fujikoma on October 08, 2015, 04:32:49 PM
I've heard of those things happening on the GDB.
Therefore, must be true and often. ;)
Quote from: Fujikoma on October 08, 2015, 04:32:49 PM
I have zero problems with someone wanting to fade, or summarize. Sometimes, I insist on it, depending on circumstances. It's just an IC thing.
Ideas like "creepy nerds" are an OOC anachronism if taken out IC. Now, "creepy magicker" might work, or "needy breed", as a method for bringing justification for judgement of a character whose player doesn't fade often, well, maybe not really, but considering whether to fade or not is an OOC consideration, and shouldn't matter IC. What kind of weirdo gets a request for a fade, though, and either cuts off the plotline or murders the other character over it? I've heard of those things happening on the GDB.
I didn't understand anything you've just said.. Does that mean that you like to fap it up with bored Armageddon housewives y/n plz
I see this thread is progressing along nicely.
When I was 13 years old I had a relationship with a female character with a Bynner of mine.
I forget how it went down but at some point they OOC'ed their email address to me to coordinate playtimes, it was something like, "Henry@gmail.com".
Henry.....Henry.......
???
Henry....
??? ??? ??? ???
......Henry
:-[
This was my introduction to the very concept that guys pretended to be girls on the internet. Up until this moment in my very young life I did not even know that was a thing.
I think my character was hugging their character at the time and they never did the mudsexinz (very graphic I know)...but I did cut off the relationship IC'ly because OOC'ly it just gave me the straight up willies.
So yeah, I've done that.
Quote from: Desertman on October 08, 2015, 05:24:32 PM
When I was 13 years old I had a relationship with a female character with a Bynner of mine.
When you were 13 years old, 3/4 of the female PCs on Armageddon were played by Turkish men.
Not even kidding.
Quote from: Malken on October 08, 2015, 05:39:27 PM
Quote from: Desertman on October 08, 2015, 05:24:32 PM
When I was 13 years old I had a relationship with a female character with a Bynner of mine.
When you were 13 years old, 3/4 of the female PCs on Armageddon were played by Turkish men.
Not even kidding.
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I mudseched Fuji that one time. I was the chick.
It was fun and moved the story along and I never felt wierded out or sensed I needed 1 handed typing. That being said I have only done it 3 or 4 times ever. FTB is more my BG style bag, however.
And I have seen some pcs that seem to live for it.
Kind of off-topic, but does it really matter in a thread like this?
When I play females, I tend to misgender emotes every once in a while at first, because I'm not in the habit of using ^me and such, and I tend to play a lot more males than females. I bet those who see it I'm gender-bending because of that, but I'm actually female. I just occasionally type 'his' or 'him' out of sheer habit.
Honestly, though, I don't even see it as 'gender-bending.' Male authors aren't 'gender-bending' when they write a book with a female main character, or vice versa.
Quote from: Inks on October 08, 2015, 08:07:25 PM
I mudseched Fuji that one time. I was the chick.
It was fun and moved the story along and I never felt wierded out or sensed I needed 1 handed typing. That being said I have only done it 3 or 4 times ever. FTB is more my BG style bag, however.
And I have seen some pcs that seem to live for it.
Heh, yeah, that was an interesting story element. Somehow I knew there was a dude on the other end. I didn't care. I was too busy practicing my one-handed typing (because obviously that's the only reason not to fade), you wouldn't know how hard it is to type flowery emotes with words like "love Tregil" and "gith chasm", with proper targeting and capitalization, with one hand. :P
And what Beethoven said, sometimes I occasionally misgender emotes while playing males, and I'm like, urk, um, how'd that happen?
EDIT: I wonder how many dudes knew there was a guy on the other end of my female characters.
get your sexual deviance outta my game you cyberpervs
What's next, that cute red-haired female PC I'm mudsexing will be a rl turtle or something?
Quote from: Malken on October 08, 2015, 08:39:46 PM
get your sexual deviance outta my game you cyberpervs
What's next, that cute red-haired female PC I'm mudsexing will be a rl turtle or something?
If she yells "Cowabunga, dude!" at climax, you might start to suspect something.
Quote from: Delirium on October 08, 2015, 09:26:46 AM
Too often, it feels like a lonely nerd is just trying to get online-laid. Sorry, but it does. And you don't have to be a puritanical snob for that to weird you out.
You do realize that you're looking down on and stereotyping people who mudsex then, two sentences later, making a point to reject a stereotype about people who don't mudsex?
Personally, I'm not "too cool for mudsex" myself, (and I certainly don't judge anyone or their play based on whether they do or don't) but it's not the highlight of my play, and if I do I generally don't want to know much about the person on the other end. If they take forever to do their emotes or they're clumsy with the syntax I do get bored and probably will fade with that person going forward, but I won't let it affect my play.
Sadly, puritanical snobs are immune to reason. Sorry, but they are. And you don't have to be a lonely nerd for that to be blindingly obvious.
Quote from: Fujikoma on October 08, 2015, 10:27:50 PM
Sadly, puritanical snobs are immune to reason. Sorry, but they are. And you don't have to be a lonely nerd for that to be blindingly obvious.
Are you denying that you're a lonely nerd, sir?
Quote from: Malken on October 08, 2015, 10:34:37 PM
Quote from: Fujikoma on October 08, 2015, 10:27:50 PM
Sadly, puritanical snobs are immune to reason. Sorry, but they are. And you don't have to be a lonely nerd for that to be blindingly obvious.
Are you denying that you're a lonely nerd, sir?
Nerds are supposed to be smart, right? So a no-go there. And I've gotten so used to loneliness, rejection, and outright hostility it no longer bothers me to the extent it once did. Nowdays, I'm just disturbed no matter what my circumstances. I've been creepy since the age of three (when I had a wee bit of a nasty head injury). Not in the torture your household pets sense, but simply a little different, and so judged by group-think into a hole. Note that it did the opposite of correct anything. Now I just give the world the finger and laugh at awful, filthy mudsex, because I know somewhere, some puritanical, stereotypical snob is losing their lunch, and in that, I find contentment.
So more a jaded troll, I suppose.
Quote from: Fujikoma on October 08, 2015, 10:43:32 PM
Quote from: Malken on October 08, 2015, 10:34:37 PM
Quote from: Fujikoma on October 08, 2015, 10:27:50 PM
Sadly, puritanical snobs are immune to reason. Sorry, but they are. And you don't have to be a lonely nerd for that to be blindingly obvious.
Are you denying that you're a lonely nerd, sir?
Nerds are supposed to be smart, right? So a no-go there. And I've gotten so used to loneliness, rejection, and outright hostility it no longer bothers me to the extent it once did. Nowdays, I'm just disturbed no matter what my circumstances. I've been creepy since the age of three (when I had a wee bit of a nasty head injury). Not in the torture your household pets sense, but simply a little different, and so judged by group-think into a hole. Note that it did the opposite of correct anything. Now I just give the world the finger and laugh at awful, filthy mudsex, because I know somewhere, some puritanical, stereotypical snob is losing their lunch, and in that, I find contentment.
So more a jaded troll, I suppose.
You're like the opposite of Hannibal. Maybe you're a vegetarian psychopath in the making ^___^
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I start feeling, ill, if I don't subsist primarily off of meat... tried a vegetarian diet before, it just didn't feel right.
I do the mudsex thing pretty regular.
Sometimes it gets pretty hot, even full salutes pretty hot.
When playing, I tend to mudsex fairly regular for the same reason I don't want to FTB torture.
IRL I'm married, I don't need mudsex to get off. In fact, most of the time it's a means to an end - IC closeness between the characters. However much or little it brings them closer, it is always some degree of revealing about the character in question.
All of 2 times, it's been anything I'd consider remotely "hot". 1 of them was just so fucked up circumstantially I won't go into all the details but suffice to say it was on more than one corpse with another living pc. The other time it was another girl and I and we were playing gay male lovers. 0 fucks. Do with it what you want. Whoever it was that played Tristan in Tuluk a few years back though, that male pc of mine was pretty much lovesick over the guy, even though they never did anything. >.>
On the one hand ... you guys seriously creep me the fuck out on the regular.
On the other hand ...
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In my Arm history ... there is precisely 1 time when I didn't FTB.
I was playing a northern half-elf ranger named Kota and I was in Allanak to sell some plains ox I had tamed and brought down to the butcher because ... I liked having 50k in the bank.
Sold the ox, and was about to make a b-line straight out of the commons back to the gate when some female prostitute PC was like ... hey ... wanna kank? And flashed me a leg.
And I was like ... yeah.
Then she charged me extra for being a breed, and extra extra for having a northern accent. Which was kind of awesome. She wasn't one of those prissy prostitutes with their own apartment. She just took me to one of the run down unoccupied "houses" in the commons with a door but no lock and she was like: Just have your beetle rest outside.
And I was like: Not for all the gold in Tek's tower. The beetle stays in the bedroom with us.
So it did.
And the next 10 RL minutes consisted of her "doing her craft" as my PC called it ... and me dropping emotes like:
QuoteThe weathered breed jerks and twitches spasmodically to an underwhelming finish, accompanied by some grunts and wheezing.
After that I kinda decided to always fade.
I suck at mudsex :'(
The first time I ever participated in mudsex was pretty horrendous on my end. It's been years, soooo...
Ok, so I was playing this crazed Tuluki half-breed warrior named Rendal, man was he trouble, and a beastly fighter. Anyway, this other breed joins the Byn, she's got boundless energy, just as troublesome, and her and Rendal have this weird sort of banter that was enjoyable, so I decided Rendal liked her. They would train together exclusively every morning. So one day she just up and leaves the Byn, which was a bummer, Rendal's all like "Why'd you leave? Did I scare you off?", nope, she started ranting how rich she now was and screw that latrine and bought him a drink.
A few RL days later, she walks into the Gaj, scars on her ankles, moping, with an odd piece of jewelry. I was still such a newb, I didn't know what it was. Anyway, he's all being nice to her, and finally, she's like, "What the fuck is wrong with you?! Are you blind?!", and, of course, it turns out he was totally ignorant, but that's ok, because his whole backstory involved him being locked in a closet until the old man came home every once in a while drunk, threw open the door, drug him out, and beat him silly with a wooden axe. I really didn't know enough about the game world to write any sort of background that would hint at competence, so, I made up these weird ones that excused their ignorance.
Anyway, they keep talking over the way, because Rendal's like, well, I don't really care, I'm just a monstrous breed too. They decide to be secret friends and meet in secret. One time, stuff happened. She told him, don't tell anyone, or they'll kill us BOTH!
...
She then, immediately ran into the Gaj and shouted to everyone in earshot about how she peed on that northie Bynner breed's face. I'd wondered why Sergeant Niall wayed me shortly afterwards, saying, "Please, please, Rendal, tell me it's not so.", so I did, screw it, why does he need to know anyway? It was only later, at the Luir's firepit, while working for Pikks and Harle as an independant that I'd be seriously prodded about it, eventually, reluctantly, admitted it, which caused more than a bit of laughter.
Anyway, their relationship continued, no more mudsex, but more silly breed accept/reject drama, which was quite hillarious because they were both quite breedy. It was kind of funny, sweet, and tragic. One day a Borsail Wyvern Proven was in the tavern and got all snide with Rendal, so, as was his custom, Rendal snatched that lantern-jawed asswad off his stool and punched his teeth down his throat... unfortunately, this lead to Rendal's arrest. The Templar was going to execute him, but looked him over, and thought of another possibility, and asked him how he'd feel about fighting for his freedom, he said "That's, a lot better than nothing, Lord Templar.", or something to that effect.
Spent a RL day sitting around the gladiator pits, waying people to tell them goodbye and encourage them to come see the fight. Some said they weren't going to kill him, his response was, "Yeah, right.". Anyway, while waiting on the fight, Rendal asked the Templar if he would grant a last request. The Templar considered a bit, and said, "Depends what it is.", so Rendal pulls this spiral-shaped shell he'd gotten while on an island in the silt-sea with this same Templar, and said, "Could you please, please, give Odellion, the Elkran, this? I think you know what it is.", the Templar's composure almost broke right there, I don't know if he wanted to laugh or scream with rage, but he took it and said he would.
Then Rendal died in the arena, oh well.
Quote from: Fujikoma on October 09, 2015, 03:28:28 PM
The first time I ever participated in mudsex was pretty horrendous on my end. It's been years, soooo...
Ok, so I was playing this crazed Tuluki half-breed warrior named Rendal, man was he trouble, and a beastly fighter. Anyway, this other breed joins the Byn, she's got boundless energy, just as troublesome, and her and Rendal have this weird sort of banter that was enjoyable, so I decided Rendal liked her. They would train together exclusively every morning. So one day she just up and leaves the Byn, which was a bummer, Rendal's all like "Why'd you leave? Did I scare you off?", nope, she started ranting how rich she now was and screw that latrine and bought him a drink.
A few RL days later, she walks into the Gaj, scars on her ankles, moping, with an odd piece of jewelry. I was still such a newb, I didn't know what it was. Anyway, he's all being nice to her, and finally, she's like, "What the fuck is wrong with you?! Are you blind?!", and, of course, it turns out he was totally ignorant, but that's ok, because his whole backstory involved him being locked in a closet until the old man came home every once in a while drunk, threw open the door, drug him out, and beat him silly with a wooden axe. I really didn't know enough about the game world to write any sort of background that would hint at competence, so, I made up these weird ones that excused their ignorance.
Anyway, they keep talking over the way, because Rendal's like, well, I don't really care, I'm just a monstrous breed too. They decide to be secret friends and meet in secret. One time, stuff happened. She told him, don't tell anyone, or they'll kill us BOTH!
...
She then, immediately ran into the Gaj and shouted to everyone in earshot about how she peed on that northie Bynner breed's face. I'd wondered why Sergeant Niall wayed me shortly afterwards, saying, "Please, please, Rendal, tell me it's not so.", so I did, screw it, why does he need to know anyway? It was only later, at the Luir's firepit, while working for Pikks and Harle as an independant that I'd be seriously prodded about it, eventually, reluctantly, admitted it, which caused more than a bit of laughter.
Anyway, their relationship continued, no more mudsex, but more silly breed accept/reject drama, which was quite hillarious because they were both quite breedy. It was kind of funny, sweet, and tragic. One day a Borsail Wyvern Proven was in the tavern and got all snide with Rendal, so, as was his custom, Rendal snatched that lantern-jawed asswad off his stool and punched his teeth down his throat... unfortunately, this lead to Rendal's arrest. The Templar was going to execute him, but looked him over, and thought of another possibility, and asked him how he'd feel about fighting for his freedom, he said "That's, a lot better than nothing, Lord Templar.", or something to that effect.
Spent a RL day sitting around the gladiator pits, waying people to tell them goodbye and encourage them to come see the fight. Some said they weren't going to kill him, his response was, "Yeah, right.". Anyway, while waiting on the fight, Rendal asked the Templar if he would grant a last request. The Templar considered a bit, and said, "Depends what it is.", so Rendal pulls this spiral-shaped shell he'd gotten while on an island in the silt-sea with this same Templar, and said, "Could you please, please, give Odellion, the Elkran, this? I think you know what it is.", the Templar's composure almost broke right there, I don't know if he wanted to laugh or scream with rage, but he took it and said he would.
Then Rendal died in the arena, oh well.
I'm laughing so hard.
I love you man.
Once gave the mudweiner to this girl with Gage Gritshaw for the sole purpose of paying her in sausage.
That's right. I fed her some sausage, and paid her by feeding her sausage.
She was playing the starving "do anything for food" thing.
You think Gage Gritshaw didn't take advantage of that? How could he not.
Real motivation? I wanted to say I paid a girl in sausage for eating his sausage.
Quote from: Desertman on October 09, 2015, 03:43:53 PM
Once gave the mudweiner to this girl with Gage Gritshaw for the sole purpose of paying her in sausage.
That's right. I fed her some sausage, and paid her by feeding her sausage.
She was playing the starving "do anything for food" thing.
You think Gage Gritshaw didn't take advantage of that? How could he not.
Real motivation? I wanted to say I paid a girl in sausage for eating his sausage.
Oh dear, I tried this once, but I shouldn' have paid her in real sausage first, because she bolted. Eventually, though, she did come back for the other suasage.
Wealthy and overly dramatic bored gemmed girl.
That's like... ALL THE GEMMERS
Fujikoma's story checks out.
Quote from: Fujikoma on October 08, 2015, 10:43:32 PM
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Quote from: Fujikoma on October 08, 2015, 10:27:50 PM
Sadly, puritanical snobs are immune to reason. Sorry, but they are. And you don't have to be a lonely nerd for that to be blindingly obvious.
Are you denying that you're a lonely nerd, sir?
Nerds are supposed to be smart, right? So a no-go there. And I've gotten so used to loneliness, rejection, and outright hostility it no longer bothers me to the extent it once did. Nowdays, I'm just disturbed no matter what my circumstances. I've been creepy since the age of three (when I had a wee bit of a nasty head injury). Not in the torture your household pets sense, but simply a little different, and so judged by group-think into a hole. Note that it did the opposite of correct anything. Now I just give the world the finger and laugh at awful, filthy mudsex, because I know somewhere, some puritanical, stereotypical snob is losing their lunch, and in that, I find contentment.
So more a jaded troll, I suppose.
Don't let this bother you man.
For every group of people out there who think you are weird, there is another group that will think your unique qualities make you awesome to be around.
I'm awkward as shit to some people.
Some people I hate the very moment I see them and I can tell they hate me just as much.
Some people I know for a fact we are both just pretending to like each other.
On more than one occasion I've met people who I got along fine with only to discover we both later were awkward as hell around each other for no reason other than I'm awkward as hell and they are maybe just as awkward/don't know how to deal with my awkward.
Then there are groups of people I can be with who I get along great with.
There are some groups I can be with where I'm actually the center of attention in that group.
So what if every group of people you meet don't enjoy you or "get" you. Who gives a shit.
Keep on being you and you will find that group of people eventually that you just "fit" with.
Quote from: Fujikoma on October 09, 2015, 03:28:28 PM
, "Could you please, please, give Odellion, the Hellion, this? I think you know what it is.", the Templar's composure almost broke right there, I don't know if he wanted to laugh or scream with rage, but he took it and said he would.
Then Rendal died in the arena, EPICLY
Fixed this for you.
Since it's been long enough, I'll let you in on the fact that Odellion was so embarrassed by Rendall she tried to help get him killed several times. This was the first and last character to use the term 'ladydick'. That shell eventually got back to her, if I recall correctly, and it was really, really depressing. Good stuff.
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Quote from: Fujikoma on October 09, 2015, 03:28:28 PM
, "Could you please, please, give Odellion, the Hellion, this? I think you know what it is.", the Templar's composure almost broke right there, I don't know if he wanted to laugh or scream with rage, but he took it and said he would.
Then Rendal died in the arena, EPICLY
Fixed this for you.
Since it's been long enough, I'll let you in on the fact that Odellion was so embarrassed by Rendall she tried to help get him killed several times. This was the first and last character to use the term 'ladydick'. That shell eventually got back to her, if I recall correctly, and it was really, really depressing. Good stuff.
That's ok, my next character got her killed because I froze up at the keyboard during a Drov beetle attack. Whoops, newb mistake.
EDIT: That was so depressing and made me feel so guilty that I almost considered quitting playing. Almost.
Quote from: Fujikoma on October 09, 2015, 03:28:28 PM
She then, immediately ran into the Gaj and shouted to everyone in earshot about how she peed on that northie Bynner breed's face. I'd wondered why Sergeant Niall wayed me shortly afterwards, saying, "Please, please, Rendal, tell me it's not so.", so I did, screw it, why does he need to know anyway? It was only later, at the Luir's firepit, while working for Pikks and Harle as an independant that I'd be seriously prodded about it, eventually, reluctantly, admitted it, which caused more than a bit of laughter.
I remember Niall, with some others, giving Rendal a hard time about this in the compound, and Rendal said, "I just like being close to power." ROFL. You told us you'd never really screwed her, just used your mouth to please her. Like that would be better, LOL. Rough and rugged Bynners all sick to their stomachs. I'm pretty sure Niall ordered you to cease and desist, but it sounds like you just kept doing it on the sly.
lmao
Hey, I'll tell the story how I want to. :P
So, maybe he did admit it somewhere else. Careful what you ask for.
:D
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Odellion was second only to Walmar as my most entertaining minion, though I damn near had her thrown down a hole after that vagina spiders scene. So. Fucking. Awkward.
Walmar was nuclear launch grade awesome and one of my favorite characters of all time, so you can take that how you want.
I don't think I've ever mudsexed a person who made "the dreaded long pauses". Mudsex is great when you want to show off your wobbling teeth, fleas in your hair and stench from your mouth. Torture is also nice when done properly.
I can safely say I've never been peed on.
You're either staying the hell away from people or it's your way of going 'wellllll, there's this oooone thing I haven't done..'
.. Right?
Quote from: Patuk on October 14, 2015, 08:00:58 PM
You're either staying the hell away from people or it's your way of going 'wellllll, there's this oooone thing I haven't done..'
.. Right?
Yes.
Quote from: Jihelu on October 14, 2015, 07:59:10 PM
I can safely say I've never been peed on.
em pees deeply into %jihelu eyes.
Mark your territory the good old fashioned way. Did this to someone who was almost a Byn Trooper once. He was not amused. My breed got beat up by all the other runners, knocked out and tossed in the shitter as a lesson on where urine is SUPPOSED to go... then the Sarge got mad because tentacle monsters, and said we simply don't do this while ol' Shitty is still known to sometimes be active. I suppose it goes without mentioning the other runner was one of my breed's favorites. This is the aforementioned "closet breed" (pun not intended, his breed status was out in the open), so he really was not the picture of civility and more just operated on animal instinct, with some hints of social conditioning.
I've tried to avoid characters that may try this sort of thing since, but who knows, maybe someday.