How would a bard in allanak do? I mean if someone started playing an instrument and singing in the Gaj. What would be the appropriate reaction to this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvH_E5RkE1c
I believe they exist... it's just that appreciation for the arts isn't as common. Remember, bards = books (as in, for an illiterate society bards are the means by which society passes on it's wisdom, values, and history)
The majority of truly devoted probably seek work with Fale, or Sath, or the GMH (PR/marketing)... others are probably part time entertainers, students of the Atrium, or travelers.
In response to your actual question -- most would demand a drinking song/ a party game/ or tell the feck to go to Reds.
There's a bard in one of the Echo's in the Gaj.
Bards definitely have a place in Allanak, and it's a viable concept, but it's also a very different concept compared to a Tuluki bard.
Allanak bards should sing about blood, guts, and glory. And sex. Open raunchy sex.
So basically hair bands.
I figured they'd be singing drunken bar songs.
Quote from: Intrepid237 on January 09, 2012, 11:43:55 PM
I figured they'd be singing drunken bar songs.
About fucking, blood, and guts. Yeah.
Allanak has the arts.
Allanak has music.
A bard would make sense, but you'd probably have to find a willing noble or mercantile patron, which might be harder than in Tuluk, especially without the pedigree of an organization like the Circle to back up your claims to musical excellence.
I've seen Allanaki musician NPCs before.
As others have said, pander to your audience. One way to play a nakkie bard is join the Byn, get ridiculed. Make up songs about other recruits (I remember a Mishka to this day, and she wasn't actually a bard). Graduate, stay on as a trooper, go on some risky contracts and make songs about them. Leave the Byn and get a Patron.
I played a Tuluki bard that sang in the Gaj while down south for work ... about a half-giant's penis. I think it worked okay.
But yes. The link above is a good resource. The music theories from north and south are different. Their 'roots' are different. I could probably go on and make you bored.
If you play a bard in Allanak, be prepared to play something every fecking time you sit down in a bar, because people will not leave you alone. Or say no, like I can't.
Its fun, for me, to play just about anyone with a deep love and talent for something artistic, even though I'm only really into storywriting. If you have a RL love for any kind of art, and you're not sure you can pull off a bard who actually cares about their work, it might be easier than you think, if this works on other people.
Being terrible at being a bard, being mediocre, and being awesome at it were all fun to play. Some bards are good at one instrument and bad at another, some can play but not sing, some are only good at spoken stories, etc. And I appreciate how eager a large chunk of pcs are to hear you play. Enough of them to pay a little to hear a song that isn't terrible. Being a bard in Tuluk is probably easier but I've survived being an indie southern bard, and just that, before.
I would love to see two or three competing bards in Allanak.
I would also love to hold bets on which oneis the first to get knifed by one of the others.
Quote from: FantasyWriter on January 10, 2012, 05:43:53 AM
I would love to see two or three competing bards in Allanak.
I would also love to hold bets on which oneis the first to get knifed by one of the others.
Fantasywriter speaks wisdom. I demand that this exists!
I remember reading somewhere that 'upper-class' Allanaki music is obscure and pretentious.
It'd be cool to play a bard that isn't regularly mingling with Nobles and Templars as a juxtaposition to Tuluk.
That video where Beebs gets whapped with a bottle made me sad. That's rude, even if he's a little shit, the poor guy. :(
I love that he kept his composure despite it, what a great kid.
Quote from: Zoan on January 10, 2012, 07:59:07 AM
That video where Beebs gets whapped with a bottle made me sad. That's rude, even if he's a little shit, the poor guy. :(
I love that he kept his composure despite it, what a great kid.
Agreed on all counts.
Additionally, I have occasionally played (poorly) Allanaki bards. No reason why we can't. Granted, Allanak has none of the detailed documentation and in-game supported stuff that Tuluk has, but it can and should be done.
For the love of Tek... not everything in Allanak has to revolve around brutality, blood, and sex.
Allanak has bards. They sing all sorts of songs, not just war ballads and raunchy tavern jingles.
Quote from: Spoon on January 10, 2012, 06:57:47 AM
I remember reading somewhere that 'upper-class' Allanaki music is obscure and pretentious.
I'm pretty sure I remember that too. I also feel like I remember reading somewhere that Allanaki music was harsher and more discordant than the more lyrical north.
Quote from: Marauder Moe on January 10, 2012, 09:12:22 AM
For the love of Tek... not everything in Allanak has to revolve around brutality, blood, and sex.
Allanak has bards. They sing all sorts of songs, not just war ballads and raunchy tavern jingles.
Not in my Allanak they don't.
Vote Yam for Highlord 2012
Quote from: Yam on January 10, 2012, 09:53:10 AM
Quote from: Marauder Moe on January 10, 2012, 09:12:22 AM
For the love of Tek... not everything in Allanak has to revolve around brutality, blood, and sex.
Allanak has bards. They sing all sorts of songs, not just war ballads and raunchy tavern jingles.
Not in my Allanak they don't.
Vote Yam for Highlord 2012
You have my vote
Quote from: Booya on January 10, 2012, 09:25:12 AM
Quote from: Spoon on January 10, 2012, 06:57:47 AM
I remember reading somewhere that 'upper-class' Allanaki music is obscure and pretentious.
I'm pretty sure I remember that too. I also feel like I remember reading somewhere that Allanaki music was harsher and more discordant than the more lyrical north.
I'll try to find the page -- but it said mostly in Allanak, the ones pandering to the nobility were more interested in showing off the intricacy of their instruments and would play crazy notes that weren't harmonious to, again, show off.
*goes to find*
Quote from: boog on January 10, 2012, 12:09:11 PM
Quote from: Booya on January 10, 2012, 09:25:12 AM
Quote from: Spoon on January 10, 2012, 06:57:47 AM
I remember reading somewhere that 'upper-class' Allanaki music is obscure and pretentious.
I'm pretty sure I remember that too. I also feel like I remember reading somewhere that Allanaki music was harsher and more discordant than the more lyrical north.
I'll try to find the page -- but it said mostly in Allanak, the ones pandering to the nobility were more interested in showing off the intricacy of their instruments and would play crazy notes that weren't harmonious to, again, show off.
*goes to find*
Please do. :D
Relevant thread:
Culture and Bards (2005) (http://www.zalanthas.org/gdb/index.php/topic,13894.0.html)
Relevant quote:
Quote from: brytta.leofa on August 28, 2007, 09:12:22 AM
Quote from: GimfasallettesI was caught in the middle of a Red Desert track! (Backup dwarf: "Thunder!")
I looked 'round and I knew there was no turning back. ("Thunder!")
My mind raced and I thought, what could I do-li? ("Thunder!")
and I knew there was no help, no help from Eunoli. ("Thunder!")
Sound of the drums! Beatin' in my heart!
Them Krath-cursed gemmers like to tore me apart.
You've been - *dramatic pause* - thunderstruck!
Back up the north road, busted kanks and hit the town,
Went through to Luirs--yeah Luirs--and we had some fun.
We met some girls, some spicers who gave a good time:
Broke all the rules, played all the fools;
yeah, yeah, they, they, they blew our minds.
Said yeah, it's all right, we're diggin' a mine.
Down in "his shadow," yeah, we're doing fine.
If a Bard a la Tuluk was in Nak.. I think it'd be like this..
(John Belushi is a dwarf)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvR6d08L3nc&feature=related
Quote from: Dakota on January 10, 2012, 01:43:00 PM
If a Bard a la Tuluk was in Nak.. I think it'd be like this..
(John Belushi is a dwarf)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvR6d08L3nc&feature=related
<3
Oops.
What I said is documented in a place where a user name and password is required. So I won't be elaborating! Soz.
Quote from: Nyr on January 10, 2012, 01:30:34 PM
Relevant thread:
Culture and Bards (2005) (http://www.zalanthas.org/gdb/index.php/topic,13894.0.html)
Relevant quote:
Quote from: brytta.leofa on August 28, 2007, 09:12:22 AM
Quote from: GimfasallettesI was caught in the middle of a Red Desert track! (Backup dwarf: "Thunder!")
I looked 'round and I knew there was no turning back. ("Thunder!")
My mind raced and I thought, what could I do-li? ("Thunder!")
and I knew there was no help, no help from Eunoli. ("Thunder!")
Sound of the drums! Beatin' in my heart!
Them Krath-cursed gemmers like to tore me apart.
You've been - *dramatic pause* - thunderstruck!
Back up the north road, busted kanks and hit the town,
Went through to Luirs--yeah Luirs--and we had some fun.
We met some girls, some spicers who gave a good time:
Broke all the rules, played all the fools;
yeah, yeah, they, they, they blew our minds.
Said yeah, it's all right, we're diggin' a mine.
Down in "his shadow," yeah, we're doing fine.
Ahaha, so much funny.
Quote from: Marauder Moe on January 10, 2012, 09:12:22 AM
For the love of Tek... not everything in Allanak has to revolve around brutality, blood, and sex.
Allanak has bards. They sing all sorts of songs, not just war ballads and raunchy tavern jingles.
I dunno. I've had Northie PCs believing in that stereotype who end up in 'Nak for one reason or another and find out it is completely true (among those bards/singing Bynners they managed to find).
I remember listening to bards in Allanak. But ... let's admit. All of them worked for Fale in one fashion or another. There is a huge amount of tradition and history behind bards in Tuluk. One of the areas of Armageddon that I never explored really. In Allanak though ... a bard is a dude or a dudette with some musical instrument, who ... sings.
Quote from: Dar on January 11, 2012, 10:51:44 PM
I remember listening to bards in Allanak. But ... let's admit. All of them worked for Fale in one fashion or another. There is a huge amount of tradition and history behind bards in Tuluk. One of the areas of Armageddon that I never explored really. In Allanak though ... a bard is a dude or a dudette with some musical instrument, who ... sings.
Bard are entertainers/storytellers in almost all parts of the Known. They're just different in Tuluk.
Think of it like actors. There are actors everywhere in the world and have been for quite some time. It's a form of entertaining. Some countries have different actor cultures. The United States happens to have Hollywood where actors become very powerful cultural icons.
Tuluk is like Hollywood.
Quote from: Yam on January 11, 2012, 11:43:54 PM
Quote from: Dar on January 11, 2012, 10:51:44 PM
I remember listening to bards in Allanak. But ... let's admit. All of them worked for Fale in one fashion or another. There is a huge amount of tradition and history behind bards in Tuluk. One of the areas of Armageddon that I never explored really. In Allanak though ... a bard is a dude or a dudette with some musical instrument, who ... sings.
Bard are entertainers/storytellers in almost all parts of the Known. They're just different in Tuluk.
Think of it like actors. There are actors everywhere in the world and have been for quite some time. It's a form of entertaining. Some countries have different actor cultures. The United States happens to have Hollywood where actors become very powerful cultural icons.
Tuluk is like Hollywood.
And Allanak is like ... Sudan?
How about Mumbai vs. Islamabad?
Quote from: boog on January 12, 2012, 12:15:29 AM
Quote from: Yam on January 11, 2012, 11:43:54 PM
Quote from: Dar on January 11, 2012, 10:51:44 PM
I remember listening to bards in Allanak. But ... let's admit. All of them worked for Fale in one fashion or another. There is a huge amount of tradition and history behind bards in Tuluk. One of the areas of Armageddon that I never explored really. In Allanak though ... a bard is a dude or a dudette with some musical instrument, who ... sings.
Bard are entertainers/storytellers in almost all parts of the Known. They're just different in Tuluk.
Think of it like actors. There are actors everywhere in the world and have been for quite some time. It's a form of entertaining. Some countries have different actor cultures. The United States happens to have Hollywood where actors become very powerful cultural icons.
Tuluk is like Hollywood.
And Allanak is like ... Sudan?
Allanak is Memphis. Rhinestone cowboys, country music, and mud wrestling.
Quote from: Yam on January 12, 2012, 11:49:05 AM
Allanak is Memphis. Rhinestone cowboys, country music, and mud wrestling.
As someone who lives an hour south of Memphis, I respectfully disagree.
Memphis is like the Labyrinth... with sprawling ghettos, rampant gang violence, and lots of other unsavory shit.
But if we're thinking Tennessee, then Nashville definitely works; it's the country music capital of the world, after all.
I played a bard in Allanak all of 2 RL weeks before. It was fun. But as was mentioned earlier in the thread: If you play a bard in 'nak, be prepared to play something everytime you sit down at a bar. It's a good gig, I just think it's not as viable or entertaining as it can be in Tuluk for lack of "support". You don't really have somewhere to go and hang out as a bard to commune with others of your profession besides Bard's Barrel... oh wait....
Quote from: Yam on January 12, 2012, 11:49:05 AM
Allanak is Memphis. Rhinestone cowboys, country music, and mud wrestling.
I've watched skimpily-clad wrestling in Tuluk before. But, I think it was at the Kurac bar.
Luir's Outpost
is Cowboys and mud wrestling. And Cowboys and Indians.
Allanak is much more like the bastard child of Egypt and Rome if you strip away a lot of the Classical Greek influence. Which is perfect, because that means that Allanak is like Western civilization without the civilization part...and it is supposed to be a "fallen" world.
So, in modern terms, Tuluk is like LA: the bards get all the glory, you all have to agree with the "trendy" party line (or you won't be at the next party), and the "pedestaled" leadership more or less is endogamous (effectively, they won't sleep with you).
Allanak is more like Chicago: relatively somber close-fitting clothes, Midwestern practicality, at least outward seriousness about religion, a corrupt political system, and the Outfit.
Quote from: Kronibas on January 12, 2012, 02:18:48 PM
Quote from: Yam on January 12, 2012, 11:49:05 AM
Allanak is Memphis. Rhinestone cowboys, country music, and mud wrestling.
As someone who lives an hour south of Memphis, I respectfully disagree.
Memphis is like the Labyrinth... with sprawling ghettos, rampant gang violence, and lots of other unsavory shit.
But if we're thinking Tennessee, then Nashville definitely works; it's the country music capital of the world, after all.
Fuck, yeah. I meant Nashville.
Quote from: Yam on January 09, 2012, 11:22:57 PM
Allanak bards should sing about blood, guts, and glory. And sex. Open raunchy sex.
So basically hair bands.
This is my next character concept now.... ladies. :-*
There -was- a bard NPC in Allanak, at one point in time...
Needless to say, it didn't end well for him.
The Bard's Barrel tavern was owned by an actual NPC bard who codedly performed music and everything. There have been (and still are) a number of other NPC bards in Allanak. NPC and PC bards can do just fine in Allanak. Bardic performance has often been used in politics, just like it is in Tuluk--only less subtle. Players don't generally represent this aspect of Allanak very well, so it's not really the full picture to just extrapolate from player experience or effort.