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Title: Discussion: Weapons "Article" Idea
Post by: Taven on August 02, 2009, 10:16:16 AM
Some weapons are just hard to visualize. You see the "stabbing" or "slashing" or whatever, but even though there's a worded description, it might not make something easy to visualize if the weapon is unfamiliar. I think that an Article that shows pictures of the sorts of weapons, and possibly says how they were used back here on good ol' earth, could be helpful.

Here's what I've found so far for things that might be included:

(note that none of these should be "SEKKRET ITEMS OF DOOM", and are intented just to reflect things that might be found in a shop in either of the city-states IGly)

jambiya, gythka staff, chakram, voulge, truncheon, kirisigi dagger, and I'm sure there's more.

Any suggestions? Comments? Ideas?
Title: Re: Discussion: Weapons "Article" Idea
Post by: Cutthroat on August 02, 2009, 10:35:54 AM
lotilus, hawkblade, chatkcha, yagathan (sp?), katar, khopesh sword

Just a few I can think of off the top of my head.
Title: Re: Discussion: Weapons "Article" Idea
Post by: Kol on August 02, 2009, 10:55:41 PM
The various tribal weapons that pop up now and again.
Title: Re: Discussion: Weapons "Article" Idea
Post by: Archbaron on August 02, 2009, 11:34:57 PM
I'd like a full esoteric equipment guide, really.

With pictures and texts of what abas and djaballas and sunslits are. And lip plates and etc. Might be colorful and fun to read.
Title: Re: Discussion: Weapons "Article" Idea
Post by: musashi on August 03, 2009, 12:51:28 AM
+1 to everything. I had thought sunslits were like goggles until the picture in the WE DRAW EVERY DAY thread showed me what they actually look like.
Title: Re: Discussion: Weapons "Article" Idea
Post by: Taven on August 03, 2009, 07:33:28 PM
The various tribal weapons that pop up now and again.

I'm really looking more for the specific type, or a list of some you'd like to see. I agree with what you're saying, but it's not as helpful as a list.

I'd like a full esoteric equipment guide, really.

With pictures and texts of what abas and djaballas and sunslits are. And lip plates and etc. Might be colorful and fun to read.

Yeah, I'd love to see that too, but I think seperating it by type might be the best way to go.
Title: Re: Discussion: Weapons "Article" Idea
Post by: Blackisback on August 03, 2009, 10:10:31 PM
+1 to everything. I had thought sunslits were like goggles until the picture in the WE DRAW EVERY DAY thread showed me what they actually look like.

What -do- they look like? I envisioned them as a pair of sunglasses, though I've never had a chance to actually read their description.
Title: Re: Discussion: Weapons "Article" Idea
Post by: musashi on August 04, 2009, 03:26:20 AM
(http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o229/japitup/e024340.jpg)

Kind of like sunglasses ... but ... not lenses ... slits.
Title: Re: Discussion: Weapons "Article" Idea
Post by: SMuz on August 04, 2009, 05:53:57 AM
I still have trouble imagining a full obsidian sword.
Title: Re: Discussion: Weapons "Article" Idea
Post by: musashi on August 04, 2009, 06:31:22 AM
I played Morrowind so, that's not too difficult for me.
Title: Re: Discussion: Weapons "Article" Idea
Post by: Oleupata on August 04, 2009, 08:54:18 AM
lotilus, hawkblade, chatkcha, yagathan (sp?), katar, khopesh sword

Just a few I can think of off the top of my head.

I'd like a full esoteric equipment guide, really.

With pictures and texts of what abas and djaballas and sunslits are. And lip plates and etc. Might be colorful and fun to read.

This (http://webhome.idirect.com/~rpblack/ds/dsweap.htm) might help a little.
Title: Re: Discussion: Weapons "Article" Idea
Post by: Xagon on August 04, 2009, 04:52:48 PM
I see that article several times, and I've only seen a Carrikal and Chatkcha IG once each.
Title: Re: Discussion: Weapons "Article" Idea
Post by: IAmJacksOpinion on August 04, 2009, 04:53:22 PM
Groovy. I've seen a lotilus, & zerka IG before. I don't think those were on anyone's lists.

And the puchik seems pretty close to the Katar punch dagger. (Except the handle of the Katar is different. If I recall it's like a T, where you grip the top, and the stem sits between your middle and ring finger leading out to the blade.)

The Gythka in that pick.. Well, I'm relatively certain that Arm Gythkas are double headed with a club on one side, and a SLASHING blade on the other. (the one in the pic looks more likely to be piercing, IMO)

Hm.. Carrikals are also IG, but I've seen MUCH better picture portrayals of it at a different site. The one in this picture looks like an axe, but with teeth on the handle that would never, EVER be used. Where-as, an actual carrikal should be, basically, a jawbone tied to a stick, where the teeth ARE the business bits. This one has a crescent axe drawn on it.

Here we go, THIS is a Carrikal: http://www.geocities.com/tticd/carrikal.html (http://www.geocities.com/tticd/carrikal.html)

And this is the main page for that site. Lotta great shit there. http://www.geocities.com/tticd/ (http://www.geocities.com/tticd/)


Good idea for an article guys. Lets keep ideas pouring in. There's nothing more frustrating than going to show your recruits how to use a spear and realizing that, IRL, you got NO IDEA how to do so! I think an article that broke down good base strategies for emoting the 9 weapon types, dual wielding, shield use, kicking, disarming, backstabbing, etc would be invaluable for sparring RP.
Title: Re: Discussion: Weapons "Article" Idea
Post by: Spice Spice Baby on August 06, 2009, 01:17:24 AM
Arm players are probably more familiar with what a truncheon is than they might think, though where I'm from, they're called nightsticks or billy clubs.

(http://worldoffancydress.com/images/truncheon.jpg)

And my contribution to the list that nobody's posted yet: cestus.

(http://imagecache5.art.com/p/LRG/17/1737/V5I3D00Z/a-forbes-detailed-views-of-a-roman-cestus-a-leather-glove-used-in-ancient-boxing.jpg)
Title: Re: Discussion: Weapons "Article" Idea
Post by: Kol on August 07, 2009, 03:51:54 PM
I always thought Chackatas are kinda like the Ninja throwing stars.....That but black..(http://www.precolumbianjade.com/images/maya.h70.jpg)

(http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o229/japitup/e024340.jpg)

Kind of like sunglasses ... but ... not lenses ... slits.

These are kinda like Snow-goggles, I got taught how to make basic survival gear for artic travel when I was in the Navy (for some reason, training with marines was something I was "volunteered" to do) and the slits basicly reduce the glare from the sun hitting the snow.
In zalanthas though, I assume they'd stop sand getting in the eyes.

Also, found this awsome image of an Mayan axe, from around the time the spanish were fighting for south american soil and colonizing it called a Macuahuitl, a heavy axe with 3 rows of obsidian that can cut a man in half.

(http://www.authenticmaya.com/images/macahuitl%201.jpg)
Title: Re: Discussion: Weapons "Article" Idea
Post by: Bushranger on October 31, 2009, 05:09:12 AM
(http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o229/japitup/e024340.jpg)

Kind of like sunglasses ... but ... not lenses ... slits.

These are kinda like Snow-goggles, I got taught how to make basic survival gear for artic travel when I was in the Navy (for some reason, training with marines was something I was "volunteered" to do) and the slits basicly reduce the glare from the sun hitting the snow.
In zalanthas though, I assume they'd stop sand getting in the eyes.

Incorrect. They are just like snow goggles to prevent sun glare reflecting from sand (and especially salt flats/rocks) from blinding you. They have no lenses, and sand can get in without any trouble.
Title: Re: Discussion: Weapons "Article" Idea
Post by: RogueGunslinger on November 12, 2009, 08:04:56 PM
Some have lenses.
Title: Re: Discussion: Weapons "Article" Idea
Post by: jstorrie on November 12, 2009, 09:38:51 PM
What are those polearms called that you can flip around to use as bludgeoning weapons? They're a northlands weapon, I think.
Title: Re: Discussion: Weapons "Article" Idea
Post by: Cutthroat on November 12, 2009, 09:48:58 PM
What are those polearms called that you can flip around to use as bludgeoning weapons? They're a northlands weapon, I think.

Some glaives, halberds and bardiches can do this.
Title: Re: Discussion: Weapons "Article" Idea
Post by: jstorrie on November 12, 2009, 11:14:51 PM
There's a specific Tuluki variant with a wacky name.
Title: Re: Discussion: Weapons "Article" Idea
Post by: Only He Stands There on November 13, 2009, 01:03:41 AM
Some have lenses.

If they do, it's a typo. There should be no lensed items in Zalanthas.
Title: Re: Discussion: Weapons "Article" Idea
Post by: RogueGunslinger on November 13, 2009, 02:49:33 AM
Some have lenses.

If they do, it's a typo. There should be no lensed items in Zalanthas.

Is there no clear glass on zalanthas?
Title: Re: Discussion: Weapons "Article" Idea
Post by: Xeran Van Houten on November 13, 2009, 02:54:55 AM
They have calcite - much easier than clear glass.
Title: Re: Discussion: Weapons "Article" Idea
Post by: FantasyWriter on November 13, 2009, 04:27:53 AM
Some have lenses.

If they do, it's a typo. There should be no lensed items in Zalanthas.

Is there no clear glass on zalanthas?

There used to be lensed sunslits and monocles.  Staff took them out because they were too "un-Zalanthan."
Title: Re: Discussion: Weapons "Article" Idea
Post by: Cutthroat on November 13, 2009, 07:51:47 AM
I don't claim to be an expert in optics, but I thought the earliest lenses were made by ancient civilizations IRL without glass, but they were huge (like, too big to fit over your eye huge). We only managed to get it down to eye size hundreds of years later. It's entirely plausible that large lenses exist, but not ones that would be sunslit or monocle-sized.
Title: Re: Discussion: Weapons "Article" Idea
Post by: jstorrie on November 13, 2009, 02:27:27 PM
LIRAPETS. Those are what I was trying to remember.
Title: Re: Discussion: Weapons "Article" Idea
Post by: Xeran Van Houten on November 13, 2009, 02:33:00 PM
LIRAPETS. Those are what I was trying to remember.

What the fuck is that? Is it too IC to get a generic mdesc from one posted?
Title: Re: Discussion: Weapons "Article" Idea
Post by: Synthesis on November 13, 2009, 06:54:11 PM
Lirapets?

Lira Pet

Lirathu Pet

Subtle.
Title: Re: Discussion: Weapons "Article" Idea
Post by: FantasyWriter on November 13, 2009, 07:53:27 PM
I don't claim to be an expert in optics, but I thought the earliest lenses were made by ancient civilizations IRL without glass, but they were huge (like, too big to fit over your eye huge). We only managed to get it down to eye size hundreds of years later. It's entirely plausible that large lenses exist, but not ones that would be sunslit or monocle-sized.

Yes, you are correct.  Zalanthans should be able to make lenses, at least Cenyri and Kadian glassworkers. 
They have the skill, they would only need to come up with the 'idea' or stumbled upon the properties of a lens by accident.
I have always had a wet dream that certain noble houses possess crude microscopes.
Title: Re: Discussion: Weapons "Article" Idea
Post by: Synthesis on November 13, 2009, 08:45:47 PM
ONE NOBLE HOUSE HAS THE REMNANTS OF THE LARGE HADRON COLLIDER

QUICK COPY AND PASTE THIS TO ALL THE FORUMS BEFORE THEY DELETE IT
Title: Re: Discussion: Weapons "Article" Idea
Post by: Only He Stands There on November 14, 2009, 12:33:01 AM
There were lensed items. Now there are not. This includes goggles, monocles, spectacles, and yes, sunslits.

Unconfirmed, but I'd imagine that also extends to spyglasses.
Title: Re: Discussion: Weapons "Article" Idea
Post by: brytta.leofa on November 14, 2009, 01:52:13 AM
There's a specific Tuluki variant with a wacky name.

A chitin-bladed, wyvern-headed battle-staff
Title: Re: Discussion: Weapons "Article" Idea
Post by: Fathi on November 14, 2009, 04:11:34 AM
There were lensed items. Now there are not. This includes goggles, monocles, spectacles, and yes, sunslits.

Unconfirmed, but I'd imagine that also extends to spyglasses.

I still miss kaleidoscopes.
Title: Re: Discussion: Weapons "Article" Idea
Post by: Taven on June 01, 2012, 02:58:35 PM
So way back when this thread started with...

Some weapons are just hard to visualize. You see the "stabbing" or "slashing" or whatever, but even though there's a worded description, it might not make something easy to visualize if the weapon is unfamiliar. I think that an Article that shows pictures of the sorts of weapons, and possibly says how they were used back here on good ol' earth, could be helpful.

Here's what I've found so far for things that might be included:

(note that none of these should be "SEKKRET ITEMS OF DOOM", and are intented just to reflect things that might be found in a shop in either of the city-states IGly)

jambiya, gythka staff, chakram, voulge, truncheon, kirisigi dagger, and I'm sure there's more.

Any suggestions? Comments? Ideas?

...and I think trying to get visuals for all our obscure weapons is still a good idea. I'd like to revive this thread.

I know for the following some pictures have been posted, but right now I'm just trying to see if there are any gaps in the list. Is there anything that you would  add?


Title: Re: Discussion: Weapons "Article" Idea
Post by: Riya OniSenshi on June 01, 2012, 03:10:25 PM
Boline - I think that's the spelling.
Title: Re: Discussion: Weapons "Article" Idea
Post by: Taven on June 01, 2012, 03:13:23 PM
Boline - I think that's the spelling.

Added.  :)
Title: Re: Discussion: Weapons "Article" Idea
Post by: BadSkeelz on June 01, 2012, 03:14:17 PM
I've definitely found myself wondering just what a hawkblade is supposed to look like and how big they are. GIS suggests a dagger with a blade swept forward (like a raptor's claw, but less pronounced) but I'm really not sure that entirely jives with the item descs I've read.

Many of the weapons on that list can be found on Wikipedia which will give you a picture and a bit of a cultural background. Jambiya's are wide-bladed Arab knives (meant for cutting, not thrusting), yatagans are Turkish saber swords, khopesh are sickle swords . . . I imagine the more exotically named weapons have parallels in South Asia or Africa (i.e the katar(a) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katara_(dagger))). What would be needed to make a useful resource for visualizing these exotic weapons? Simple line art to suggest the basic shape? I'd also be happy to spend some of my idle time digging up links to weapon pages on Wikipedia.
Title: Re: Discussion: Weapons "Article" Idea
Post by: Taven on June 01, 2012, 03:19:44 PM
I've definitely found myself wondering just what a hawkblade is supposed to look like and how big they are.

Added.

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What would be needed to make a useful resource for visualizing these exotic weapons? Simple line art to suggest the basic shape? I'd also be happy to spend some of my idle time digging up links to weapon pages on Wikipedia.

I'm considering drawing it. I imagine something like the D&D chart (see blow) would work well. If you'd like to look up Wikipedia links, that would be welcomed  :). There have also been some posts here already that detail what the weapons look like. It's my hope I can dig up some sdescs/mdescs in my logfiles for some of these weapons as well, for reference when I draw them.

(http://morethandice.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/medieval046ws.jpg)
Title: Re: Discussion: Weapons "Article" Idea
Post by: Riya OniSenshi on June 01, 2012, 03:22:25 PM
You already had hawkblade on the list.
Title: Re: Discussion: Weapons "Article" Idea
Post by: Taven on June 01, 2012, 03:23:44 PM
You already had hawkblade on the list.

Well, I feel silly. Thank you. There is now only one.
Title: Re: Discussion: Weapons "Article" Idea
Post by: BleakOne on June 02, 2012, 06:39:07 AM
I always imagined those chakrams as bone versions of Xena's one.

Ehehehehe... Xena.  :D
Title: Re: Discussion: Weapons "Article" Idea
Post by: BadSkeelz on June 03, 2012, 02:43:55 AM
Found this page while looking up lotilus. It's in there, along with a zerka and gythka.

http://webhome.idirect.com/~rpblack/ds/dsweap.htm

I'm a little hamstrung by not knowing the ldesc of a lot of Armageddon weapons, so I just have to guess on whether they match the images I'm finding.
Title: Re: Discussion: Weapons "Article" Idea
Post by: Taven on June 03, 2012, 12:47:10 PM
Weapons List

Boline
Carrikal
Cestus
Chakram
Chatkcha
Gythka staff
Hawkblade
Jambiya
Katar
Khopesh
Kirisigi Dagger
Lirapet
Lotilus
Truncheon
Voulge
Yagathan (Yatagan?)
Zerka




Other Assorted Pictures

(http://images.community.wizards.com/community.wizards.com/user/alphastream1//dark_sun/large/4360299c8703dd2f95b53ff3ad637689.png?v=239400)

(http://images.community.wizards.com/community.wizards.com/user/alphastream1//dark_sun/large/facb5698a4937fb44d2be79f493aa73a.png?v=260400)

(http://i1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa435/Black-Paws/Dark%20Sun%20Art/52a-1.jpg)
1. Dragon Paw
2. Trikal
3. Carrikal: This axe has two forward-facing blades carved from the front of a large jawbone, commonly that of a mekillot.
4. Chatkcha: This throwing wedge, often shaped from crystal or obsidian, is a thri-kreen invention. It returns to a proficient wielder’s hand after the ranged attack is resolved.
5. Wrist Razors
6. Cahulaks.
7. Alhulak
8. Gouge
9. Dejada
10. Tortoise Blade
11. Lotulis: This short-staffed double weapon sports outward-pointing, barbed crescent blades on each end.
12. Gythka
Gauntlet Axe
Talid: Made from leather, chitin, and bone, this spiked “gladiator’s gauntlet” augments unarmed attacks. A talid can be enchanted as either a hands slot item or as a magic weapon. When enchanted as a magic weapon. When enchanted as a magic weapon, it does not occupy a character’s hands slot.
Title: Re: Discussion: Weapons "Article" Idea
Post by: Riya OniSenshi on June 03, 2012, 01:07:19 PM
Pretty sure the kirisigi is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kris
Title: Re: Discussion: Weapons "Article" Idea
Post by: Is Friday on June 03, 2012, 01:18:22 PM
Stiletto knives....

(http://www.mca-marines.org/files/imagecache/full_page_image/commando_training.jpg)
Title: Re: Discussion: Weapons "Article" Idea
Post by: Rhyden on June 03, 2012, 03:04:12 PM
Awesome thread. Two thumbs up. I had no idea what half these weapons looked like.
Title: Re: Discussion: Weapons "Article" Idea
Post by: Lithium on June 03, 2012, 03:08:32 PM
I always imagined hawkblades looking like the "L"-shaped swords the Urukai used in Lotr. I could be wrong.

(http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110412034646/deadliestfiction/images/a/a3/Urukhai_sword.jpg)
Title: Re: Discussion: Weapons "Article" Idea
Post by: A Large Bag on June 03, 2012, 03:12:35 PM
I always imagined hawkblades looking like the "L"-shaped swords the Urukai used in Lotr. I could be wrong.

(http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110412034646/deadliestfiction/images/a/a3/Urukhai_sword.jpg)

This is how I envisioned them too. I was just about to look for this picture when I scrolled down and saw this.
Title: Re: Discussion: Weapons "Article" Idea
Post by: bcw81 on June 03, 2012, 03:13:13 PM
Stiletto: http://www.blackbeardscreations.com/pics/NAVAL_STILETTO.jpg

Yatagan is spelled as such.
Title: Re: Discussion: Weapons "Article" Idea
Post by: roughneck on June 03, 2012, 03:40:18 PM
I've come to picture a hawkblade as a kilij, which is apparently some type of turkish scimitar.

(http://www.dorotheum.com/uploads/tx_ogkatalogebe/lots/30S10521_512.JPG)
Title: Re: Discussion: Weapons "Article" Idea
Post by: BadSkeelz on June 03, 2012, 04:59:11 PM
I think of hawkblades as looking like this (http://www.nhwoods.com/images/25-kb91.jpg), though obviously not as a folding pocket knife. The Uruk Hai sword would be a better fit to one of the cleavers I've seen in the world, or better yet one specifically identified as a spiked cleaver or something.

I wouldn't be surprised if the kirisigi looked like a kris knife, but I've yet to see that item in game so I have no clue what I should try to imagine.
Title: Re: Discussion: Weapons "Article" Idea
Post by: Yam on June 06, 2012, 11:24:46 AM
I always thought of hawkblades as a kilij too.

I always saw a kirisigi dagger as a class of daggers that used spikes or a hollow point to deliver poison.

Like (http://i.imgur.com/USC0c.jpg) or (http://i.imgur.com/pHpY9.jpg) except bone/obsidian and the spines are hollowed out to deliver poison.
Title: Re: Discussion: Weapons "Article" Idea
Post by: Riya OniSenshi on June 06, 2012, 11:36:05 AM
hmm... On looking at one of the kirisigi in-game, it seems that particular one doesn't look like a kris, but not like what yam is saying either... It's apparently got two blades with a long bone spine/spike between them... wierd...